Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:61780) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sxrmr-0006VR-7w; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:46:04 -0700 Received: by qadb10 with SMTP id b10sf1075353qad.16 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1bBBbKf7bBlo9sGX5jCWxwoBdrnVoyHrK8HfKP29ndY=; b=AYyzobBaTNMkMeXNMzIdybnHUAVaZavjZbsCzAqpndbFkdSm7DCLjq3hE9OJmSuyPR h8d81byZOJjTR9O+YAyUJGMJPt3M6fV+4ya/rnfAg7KsQyO2fG7v4SJT+qSD9ee5BHwR WUZ3EvZzfjXGCn3oJqox9qKKnqdsuxHqGKlJY= Received: by 10.52.67.71 with SMTP id l7mr669458vdt.12.1344138346322; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.88.68 with SMTP id be4ls4032181vdb.3.gmail; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.137.226 with SMTP id ql2mr2069215veb.16.1344138345685; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.137.226 with SMTP id ql2mr2069214veb.16.1344138345669; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si1143888vdu.1.2012.08.04.20.45.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.182; Received: by vcbgb22 with SMTP id gb22so2232667vcb.13 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.208.203 with SMTP id gd11mr5045633vcb.26.1344138345440; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:45:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <58935d67-62c7-4949-b2ac-5c20da578d4e@googlegroups.com> <501D77E4.90004@gmx.de> From: Jacob Errington Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] gua\spi To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54fb6189be42004c67c98b5 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54fb6189be42004c67c98b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It probably wouldn't be complicated at all to create an alternate orthography using diacritics similar to those used in pinyin. These symbols were probably used by Carter for technological reasons at the time (this language is incredibly old at this point). I'd personally be interested in learning gua\spi, and should it be dead, working on it maybe. Perhaps we can use it to test some ideas for loccan3 ? On 4 August 2012 19:40, MorphemeAddict wrote: > I find that guaspi already has a lot of features (tones for grammar, very > short words) that I'd like to see in LoCCan3, but the orthography, > especially for those tones, is so hard for me to grasp that I never pursued > it. > > stevo > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:28 PM, selpa'i wrote: > >> coi ro do >> ^:i !ji /glu (to mi rinsa toi) >> >> First of all, sorry if this doesn't belong here, but I'm trying to find >> more info about gua\spi, and I know for a fact that at least some jbopre >> had some involvement with it. (And it's a sister language of lojban) >> I read the "Introduction to Gua\spi" and the "Gua\spi Reference Manual", >> but I felt that those texts were not enough to really get to a point where >> I could even construct a single bridi. In fact, had I not had a lojbanic >> background, I would probably not have understood any of it. >> I read that the inventor James Carter is not working on the language >> anymore, but maybe he'd be interested in getting back into it, if there was >> an audience of interested people. >> I know that John Cowan came to Lojban *from* Gua\spi, so please, could >> you share some of your experiences with the langauge and maybe even point >> me in some direction? (I really hope the language is hopelessly dead, like >> another conlang I once wanted to learn, only to find out that the author >> had abandonned it.) >> If anybody knows of any other learning materials for this langauge, and a >> more easily searchable dictionary, I'd be very grateful to be made aware of >> them. >> >> ki'e mu'o mi'e la selpa'i >> >> -- >> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** >> googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/lojban?hl=en . >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54fb6189be42004c67c98b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It probably wouldn't be complicated at all to create an alternate ortho= graphy using diacritics similar to those used in pinyin. These symbols were= probably used by Carter for technological reasons at the time (this langua= ge is incredibly old at this point).
I'd personally be interested in learning gua\spi, and should it be dead= , working on it maybe. Perhaps we can use it to test some ideas for loccan3= ?

On 4 August 2012 19:40, MorphemeAddict= <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I find that guaspi already has a lot of feat= ures (tones for grammar, very short words) that I'd like to see in LoCC= an3, but the orthography, especially for those tones, is so hard for me to = grasp that I never pursued it.=A0

stevo

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:28 PM, selpa'i <= ;seladwa@gmx.de>= wrote:
coi ro do
^:i !ji /glu (to mi rinsa toi)

First of all, sorry if this doesn't belong here, but I'm trying to = find more info about gua\spi, and I know for a fact that at least some jbop= re had some involvement with it. (And it's a sister language of lojban)=
I read the "Introduction to Gua\spi" and the "Gua\spi Refere= nce Manual", but I felt that those texts were not enough to really get= to a point where I could even construct a single bridi. In fact, had I not= had a lojbanic background, I would probably not have understood any of it.=
I read that the inventor James Carter is not working on the language anymor= e, but maybe he'd be interested in getting back into it, if there was a= n audience of interested people.
I know that John Cowan came to Lojban *from* Gua\spi, so please, could you = share some of your experiences with the langauge and maybe even point me in= some direction? (I really hope the language is hopelessly dead, like anoth= er conlang I once wanted to learn, only to find out that the author had aba= ndonned it.)
If anybody knows of any other learning materials for this langauge, and a m= ore easily searchable dictionary, I'd be very grateful to be made aware= of them.

ki'e mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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