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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_48_16264492_AB/di2IAAGaLUB4s6w5CADjljng Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:Trivalent Logics Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:49:49 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-795172558 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-1-795172558 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not sure what the Aymara population is, but linguists -- including a nu= mber of native speakers of Aymara who have gone on to graduate degrees in l= inguistics -- agree that Guzman's interpretation of the data (much of which= they say he also has wrong) is incorrect. In short, Aymara does not use t= rivalent logic, though it does have a number of --to us -- unfamiliar epist= emic modalities.=20 Sent from my iPad On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:20 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wro= te: >=20 >=20 > On Saturday, August 4, 2012 8:48:08 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote: > Yeah, with the unlikely exception of Aymara, it is hard to imagine what t= his would look like in practice. > Why not? Millions of people use it while speaking the language that is hi= ghly naturalistic. > Just relexing Aymara to Lojban should be quite easy. It's all the matter = of how to teach people to use new but better cmavo. > =20 > Juggling even the six basics xorxes offers (or the minimal three) proba= bly pushes one's understanding pretty far, unless you have a very concrete = notion of what the third value is (and then you may be surprised at what th= e system offers you in some cases). We seem to be better with fuzzy (but l= et's don't get started on that!) than clear-cut triads or more when it come= s to dealing with the world. >=20 > From: Jorge Llamb=EDas > To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:Trivalent Logics >=20 > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > > doi xorxes xu do pu troci lo nu pilno lo cimei logji xusycmuma'o ca'o l= o nu > > tavla? >=20 > .i no roi go'i >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban/-/BrVEgpdpPDEJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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I'm not sure what the Aymara populatio= n is, but linguists -- including a number of native speakers of Aymara who = have gone on to graduate degrees in linguistics -- agree that Guzman's inte= rpretation of the data (much of which they say he also has wrong) is incorr= ect.  In short, Aymara does not use trivalent logic, though it does ha= ve a number of --to us -- unfamiliar epistemic modalities. 

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 5, 2012, at 3:20 AM, Gl= eki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:



On Saturday, August 4, 2012 8:48:08 PM UTC+4, clifford wr= ote:
Yeah, with the unlikely exception of Aymara, it = is hard to imagine what this would look like in practice.
Why not? Millions of people use it while speaking = the language that is highly naturalistic.
Just relexing Aymara to= Lojban should be quite easy. It's all the matter of how to teach people to= use new but better cmavo.
 
&nb= sp; Juggling even the six basics xorxes offers (or the minimal three) proba= bly pushes one's understanding pretty far, unless you have a very concrete = notion of what the third value is (and then you may be surprised at what th= e system offers you in some cases).  We seem to be better with fuzzy (= but let's don't get started on that!) than clear-cut triads or more when it= comes to dealing with the world.


From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegro= ups.com
Sent: S= aturday, August 4, 2012 11:26 AM
Su= bject: Re: [lojban] RE:Trivalent Logics

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> doi xo= rxes xu do pu troci lo nu pilno lo cimei logji xusycmuma'o ca'o lo nu
&g= t; tavla?

.i no roi go'i

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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