Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:41248) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy20y-0003Hn-AG; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:41:20 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf2922401yho.16 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ktql0aSNY96yBjKhMkKyU7Q8pyXmx2xByPyASSjVba0=; b=IFaMypU+zG4Qn39Qn91quzZTW9gydfLCheHhiR8Mfy/Zm3LTPR2H354RLdmSDy0kGT UsspljQXlMm06c/BIe792hRAxq/Qqn4DigQdG0BM5562TYP01DcLF0/GJbY3x49lhA9i rCKBYGs74/ENJhJVgLq0fjHSxOmos17NIZxeg= Received: by 10.236.192.164 with SMTP id i24mr1270378yhn.14.1344177661431; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.126.33 with SMTP id a21ls10655555yhi.3.gmail; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.233 with SMTP id s69mr1289190yhg.11.1344177660798; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 07:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: djandus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8a72d9e6-4047-40ad-a1c2-ca19e97db2ed@googlegroups.com> References: <501CCD85.9090902@gmail.com> <201208041530.45361.phma@phma.optus.nu> <8a72d9e6-4047-40ad-a1c2-ca19e97db2ed@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Ancient Greek, free word order and the same FA two times in a bridi MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1752_2353942.1344177659788" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1752_2353942.1344177659788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, August 5, 2012 4:38:29 AM UTC-5, iesk wrote: > > I tend to think that {broda fa ko'a fa ko'e} means more or less the same > thing as {ko'a broda .i ko'e broda}, This is also what I was imagining at first, but I didn't realize it until you said it. It occurs to me that this would probably be the most easily acceptable interpretation for dealing with the problems I brought up (i.e. how it interrelates with {be} and GOhA usage) as it leaves it up to context what relationship there is between the two statements, if any. In the case of GOhA, it would generally be an overwrite of the previous, implying some form of correction. In the case of {be} and double-FA, I think it's a somewhat silly usage, but it could make sense. Personally, I find the pure "erasure" sort of usage to be very useful, and any other kind of... weak. I also think logical connective implications would be explicitly wrong, as those feel completely against the GOhA overwrite usage, and it would only be a very small shortcut to far more confusing statements that are already expressible. mu'o mi'e djos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/_o4N0gR78SIJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_1752_2353942.1344177659788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, August 5, 2012 4:38:29 AM UTC-5, iesk wrote:
I tend to think that {broda fa ko'a fa= ko'e} means more or less the same thing as {ko'a broda .i ko'e broda},&nbs= p;
This is also what I was imagining at first= , but I didn't realize it until you said it. It occurs to me that this woul= d probably be the most easily acceptable interpretation for dealing with th= e problems I brought up (i.e. how it interrelates with {be} and GOhA usage)= as it leaves it up to context what relationship there is between the two s= tatements, if any. In the case of GOhA, it would generally be an overwrite = of the previous, implying some form of correction. In the case of {be} and = double-FA, I think it's a somewhat silly usage, but it could make sense.&nb= sp;

Personally, I find the pure "erasure" sort of = usage to be very useful, and any other kind of... weak. I also think logica= l connective implications would be explicitly wrong, as those feel complete= ly against the GOhA overwrite usage, and it would only be a very small shor= tcut to far more confusing statements that are already expressible.

mu'o mi'e djos

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