Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:33094) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4Ah-0004dQ-At; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:32 -0700 Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2sf3122423pbb.16 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=Au3xhLPDiZvdUFEo26M75FNCI7R/bN/dDFX/GJ877uw=; b=j706FU8EzNB2QM3WpUyQyVWmWfcPO1ftDSPAPiPCDjFaCFHCKMx5/E5RIdQKoQk89p oWG50qR2F5i/iZ5rMkP83UYv1SPaN3He8DmEU9Qn92QQ9AHYWUnuEgRz3S8rJj5p70pQ GSnWOCLk/mw6gKKDZSbThd23DE72Ra2kKqZ8A= Received: by 10.236.170.7 with SMTP id o7mr1277077yhl.3.1344185952753; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.78.164 with SMTP id g24ls10652089yhe.6.gmail; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.200.194 with SMTP id z42mr4556315yhn.13.1344185951872; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.200.194 with SMTP id z42mr4556314yhn.13.1344185951860; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j22si1353293ano.0.2012.08.05.09.59.11; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70202AD3B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A Word for "abstractor" and for "abstraction" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:59:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201208051259.08774.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday 05 August 2012 11:54:29 Jacob Errington wrote: > coi > > Of course, this topic has come up before, I'm sure, but I have two > suggestions and I'd like to get a feel for what the mailing list community > thinks. > > sucma'o = x1=cm1 is a structure/grammar word/[abstractor] governing > abstractions of type x2=cm2 in language x3=cm3. > sucybri = x1=b1 is an abstracted predication/[abstraction] of type x2=b2 > with arguments x3=b3. > > cimjvo, I'm afraid, but I can't see how else to do this, unless we make > zi'evla for gismu for the occasion. Sounds good to me, though some languages use other than words for this, so I suggest also: sucrafsi: r1 is an affix corresponding to word r2 (which may be zi'o) governing abstractions of type s3=r3 in language r4. "-tion" and "-ing" (gerund), for example, cu sucrafsi zi'o. Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.