Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:48124) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4nH-00051x-BH; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:39:15 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf967795laa.16 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Q1+CtNvObEpep2xpQiEhsQGMatC7KYOMIBsfsvBAeog=; b=sOnUlVbn4w8ZEcZ2U0r9UnQjgRutm8hEEvgzxYgB+au6oQ7h6n+CcO+WCOPj3O39KI CZBOgM8aNG6FU0wNbqTHtrUKv8wb2v5bP09+7Wf1MAzYVJf9auUVch4BmmeLALuxsJIb r6kwcDNT18oRwXYCY2jXr1j09giYKCZZyOe1s= Received: by 10.216.243.141 with SMTP id k13mr123028wer.55.1344188337953; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.2.133 with SMTP id 5ls1008221eef.1.gmail; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.211.196 with SMTP id w44mr6536244eeo.0.1344188337358; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.211.196 with SMTP id w44mr6536238eeo.0.1344188337128; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46si20671443eed.1.2012.08.05.10.38.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.41; Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so661576eek.14 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.175.130 with SMTP id z2mr9865473eel.0.1344188336983; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.178.196 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:38:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:38:56 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > bi'ai is described as naka'ena which in my scheme is equal to {ca'a}. I can't see your scheme without registering to Facebook, but "ca'a" ("actually") is not the same as ""bi'ai"="naka'ena" ("necessarily"). If something is necessarily the case, then it must be actually the case, but not the other way around. You may hold a philosophical position that says that everything that is the case is necessarily so (i.e. it could not have been any different), but linguistically it doesn't work, because we can and do talk about how things could have been different. If everything necessarily had to be the way it is, nothing could have been different. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.