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On Monday, August 6, 2012 8:41:37 AM UTC+4, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 5, 2012 9:38:56 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna 
>> <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > bi'ai is described as naka'ena which in my scheme is equal to {ca'a}. 
>>
>> I can't see your scheme without registering to Facebook,
>
> Can you see it here in Google Groups? 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/8dgqqPo_36g
>
>> but "ca'a" 
>> ("actually") is not the same as ""bi'ai"="naka'ena" ("necessarily"). 
>>
> OK. I agree. Can you somehow add ca'a to this or any other scheme 
> describing possible worlds?
>
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%27%27ca%27ai%27%27%2C+%27%27ka%27ei%27%27+and+%27%27nu%27oi%27%2C+and+%27%27nau%27a%27%27
says that ca'a = 2. "In some possible worlds (in which q is the case), 
including This World, p" 
but in my scheme it's {pu'i}.
What's your opinion about that?
Either {ca'a} or {pu'i} can't fit into the scheme according to your 
understanding.
 

>
>> If something is necessarily the case, then it must be actually the 
>> case, but not the other way around. You may hold a philosophical 
>> position that says that everything that is the case is necessarily so 
>> (i.e. it could not have been any different), but linguistically it 
>> doesn't work, because we can and do talk about how things could have 
>> been different. If everything necessarily had to be the way it is, 
>> nothing could have been different. 
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>>
>

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<br><br>On Monday, August 6, 2012 8:41:37 AM UTC+4, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;borde=
r-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>On Sunday, August 5, 201=
2 9:38:56 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On=
 Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna
<br>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gle=
ki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; bi'ai is described as naka'ena which in my scheme is equal to {ca'=
a}.
<br>
<br>I can't see your scheme without registering to Facebook,</blockquote><d=
iv>Can you see it here in Google Groups?&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://groups.goo=
gle.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/8dgqqPo_36g" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.=
google.<wbr>com/forum/#!topic/lojban/<wbr>8dgqqPo_36g</a></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> but "ca'a"
<br>("actually") is not the same as ""bi'ai"=3D"naka'ena" ("necessarily").
<br></blockquote><div>OK. I agree. Can you somehow add ca'a to this or any =
other scheme describing possible worlds?</div></blockquote><div><a href=3D"=
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%27%27ca%27ai%27%27%2C+%27%27ka%27ei%27%27+and+%=
27%27nu%27oi%27%2C+and+%27%27nau%27a%27%27">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%27%=
27ca%27ai%27%27%2C+%27%27ka%27ei%27%27+and+%27%27nu%27oi%27%2C+and+%27%27na=
u%27a%27%27</a></div><div>says that ca'a =3D&nbsp;<span style=3D"color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-h=
eight: 18px; ">2. "In some possible worlds (in which q is the case), includ=
ing This World, p"</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: V=
erdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">&nbsp;</sp=
an></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Ari=
al, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">but in my scheme it's=
 {pu'i}.</span></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">What's yo=
ur opinion about that?</span></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
 font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18p=
x; ">Either {ca'a} or {pu'i} can't fit into the scheme according to your un=
derstanding.</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left: 1ex;"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left=
:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>If something is necessarily the case, then it must be actually the
<br>case, but not the other way around. You may hold a philosophical
<br>position that says that everything that is the case is necessarily so
<br>(i.e. it could not have been any different), but linguistically it
<br>doesn't work, because we can and do talk about how things could have
<br>been different. If everything necessarily had to be the way it is,
<br>nothing could have been different.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote></blockquote>

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