Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:55711) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Syta9-0002IC-Uk; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:53:09 -0700 Received: by fadw1 with SMTP id w1sf48262fad.16 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3gYZHhe/Y2qVd4fWab3UTMQu0CrAmo3UleZrkhNOkIA=; b=vyYvo6OXMyQM+6bKgnx/wvBeHteWd5g9o4BjDlpNJXso8llSBoVfet6vJj19TPh3qm /QHmt9gKsvzECeg/ooT6JsYt4C0bPMdxMBjpywi/NlXB2XmwdOUEbyufD+5fGV41iqnb 5fMWRcvCXTHagSllRUjWRhqwBKiONIGpUg77A= Received: by 10.216.139.71 with SMTP id b49mr282999wej.50.1344383571900; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.172.194 with SMTP id t42ls277745eel.0.gmail; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.184.71 with SMTP id r47mr13296776eem.4.1344383571006; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.184.71 with SMTP id r47mr13296774eem.4.1344383570995; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f181.google.com (mail-ey0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46si29700594eed.1.2012.08.07.16.52.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.181; Received: by eaan10 with SMTP id n10so36705eaa.40 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.175.130 with SMTP id z2mr20186120eel.0.1344383570855; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.178.196 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:52:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1344375991.99278.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1a5f9ca9-75f1-409b-868c-5b7c3e6a9674@googlegroups.com> <1059afae-0f80-41eb-9a0f-e95bca0179ac@googlegroups.com> <1344353668.22980.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <318ca405-4913-4081-9642-222bdfee3958@googlegroups.com> <1344375991.99278.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:52:50 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:46 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > > mu'ei seems a fairly pointless notion for modalities, since the count of > possible worlds is rarely (if ever) a factor. You don't need a count for the modals, just the basic quantifiers: su'o mu'ei = ka'e = na bi'ai na no mu'ei = na ka'e = bi'ai na ro mu'ei = bi'ai = na ka'e na me'i mu'ei = na bi'ai = ka'e na "mu'ei" may be pointless here in the sense that we already have "ka'e", which is simpler. If we had had "bi'ai" from the start, "mu'ei" would have been even less necessary. But it's still nice to have the relationship between them clearly spelled out. > It won't help a lot for > probability, either, since it is relative sizes, not absolute one that play > there (and the apparatus of logic, per se, is not up to messing with that. But that's what the so'V series is for, relative quantifiers, just what's needed for (vague, impressionistic) probabilities. When you say that something is true in most possible worlds (of the relevant set), you are saying that it is probable, so you can go from "so'u mu'ei" (possible but highly ulikely) to "so'a mu'ei" (almost but not quite certain). You don't really need a fully specified metric for these words to be useful. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.