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Subject: Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds.
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:52:50 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:46 PM, John E Clifford <kali9...@yahoo.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > mu'ei seems a fairly pointless notion for modalities, since the count of 
> > possible worlds is rarely (if ever) a factor. 
>
> You don't need a count for the modals, just the basic quantifiers: 
>
> su'o mu'ei = ka'e = na bi'ai na 
> no mu'ei = na ka'e = bi'ai na 
> ro mu'ei = bi'ai = na ka'e na 
> me'i mu'ei = na bi'ai = ka'e na 
>
> "mu'ei" may be pointless here in the sense that we already have 
> "ka'e", which is simpler. If we had had "bi'ai" from the start, 
> "mu'ei" would have been even less necessary. But it's still nice to 
> have the relationship between them clearly spelled out. 
>
If more lojbanists use them IRL the better for {mu'ei}.
I can't see anyone except Robin to tell what to do with CAhA, mu'ei, da'i, 
ganai...gi, bai and va'o.

doi xorxes mi ckire do lo nu do setca so'i jufra fi la tatoebas
i xu do ba'e ka'e zo'o finti za'u jufra be zo mu'ei e ma'oi ca'a
i e'o ko punji lo jufra lo vi casnu stuzi

>
> > It won't help a lot for 
> > probability, either, since it is relative sizes, not absolute one that 
> play 
> > there (and the apparatus of logic, per se, is not up to messing with 
> that. 
>
> But that's what the so'V series is for, relative quantifiers, just 
> what's needed for (vague, impressionistic) probabilities. When you say 
> that something is true in most possible worlds (of the relevant set), 
> you are saying that it is probable, so you can go from "so'u mu'ei" 
> (possible but highly ulikely) to "so'a mu'ei" (almost but not quite 
> certain). You don't really need a fully specified metric for these 
> words to be useful. 
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>

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<br><br>On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:52:50 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:46 PM, John =
E Clifford &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mai=
lto=3D"LURck9yEkTUJ">kali9...@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; mu'ei seems a fairly pointless notion for modalities, since the co=
unt of
<br>&gt; possible worlds is rarely (if ever) a factor.
<br>
<br>You don't need a count for the modals, just the basic quantifiers:
<br>
<br>su'o mu'ei =3D ka'e =3D na bi'ai na
<br>no mu'ei =3D na ka'e =3D bi'ai na
<br>ro mu'ei =3D bi'ai =3D na ka'e na
<br>me'i mu'ei =3D na bi'ai =3D ka'e na
<br>
<br>"mu'ei" may be pointless here in the sense that we already have
<br>"ka'e", which is simpler. If we had had "bi'ai" from the start,
<br>"mu'ei" would have been even less necessary. But it's still nice to
<br>have the relationship between them clearly spelled out.
<br></blockquote><div>If more lojbanists use them IRL the better for {mu'ei=
}.</div><div>I can't see anyone except Robin to tell what to do with CAhA, =
mu'ei, da'i, ganai...gi, bai and va'o.</div><div><br></div><div>doi xorxes =
mi ckire do lo nu do setca so'i jufra fi la tatoebas</div><div>i xu do ba'e=
 ka'e zo'o finti za'u jufra be zo mu'ei e ma'oi ca'a</div><div>i e'o ko pun=
ji lo jufra lo vi casnu stuzi</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: =
1ex;">
<br>&gt; It won't help a lot for
<br>&gt; probability, either, since it is relative sizes, not absolute one =
that play
<br>&gt; there (and the apparatus of logic, per se, is not up to messing wi=
th that.
<br>
<br>But that's what the so'V series is for, relative quantifiers, just
<br>what's needed for (vague, impressionistic) probabilities. When you say
<br>that something is true in most possible worlds (of the relevant set),
<br>you are saying that it is probable, so you can go from "so'u mu'ei"
<br>(possible but highly ulikely) to "so'a mu'ei" (almost but not quite
<br>certain). You don't really need a fully specified metric for these
<br>words to be useful.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote>

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