Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:35679)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCKOXn8wTEOboh4EFGgTH2HYx@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1SyyVw-00043P-S0; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:09:11 -0700
Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf349776obb.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject
         :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results
         :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id
         :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe
         :list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=2Wd96G0+4EZpBmY9eljOyJ29+c1F0syjLuj5bwxu/Lg=;
        b=YEwtpNsrxVRWgV1znayomJKMaxs6YBwYxJf5Xm2yTqPR/T8qdtpAFjp5ftnXWxQMVl
         OkzdaIPUjnaI6AxNvA/VO9AEwV5P3mwS+/qXIPBNQ946A2iXMFNGoN4JC3g4R2gqWJcC
         +OJz8RgYcwGTsBrSaJU2ZFgVTBTHrbo/TihsA=
Received: by 10.52.21.235 with SMTP id y11mr1890495vde.4.1344402534122;
        Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:08:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.52.98.232 with SMTP id el8ls970043vdb.7.gmail; Tue, 07 Aug
 2012 22:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.52.20.51 with SMTP id k19mr1910916vde.8.1344402533750;
        Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Message-Id: <e350df24-8150-4643-a8f4-77971cc33347@googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <501D3156.3010301@gmx.de>
References: <d31f9fdd-bfa0-4f98-ba41-77ed87af37a6@googlegroups.com>
 <501D3156.3010301@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Ancient Greek, free word order and the same FA two times
 in a bridi
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
 gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass
 header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
	boundary="----=_Part_218_32647998.1344402533301"
X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/)
X-Spam_score: -0.7
X-Spam_score_int: -6
X-Spam_bar: /

------=_Part_218_32647998.1344402533301
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1



On Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27:34 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
>  Am 04.08.2012 09:05, schrieb Gleki Arxokuna:
>  
> Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It means that instead of 
> "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" 
> due to case markers. 
>
>  Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.
>
>  {mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo gerku fa mi}?
>
>  *Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more than once in a 
> bridi it means that we can join them back with {je}. So*
> *{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} = {mi viska lo barda je gerku}.*
> *If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other connectives such 
> partitioning is not possible.*
>
>
>  pei?
>
>
> I don't like using logical connectives for this. How about no'u?
>
1. Taking into account that la selpa'i cu lojbo certu
this solution has a higher priority :)
Should be put into the todo list for CLL-2.0
Other proposals are
2.ju'e/.i
3.si

>
> fe lo barda fa mi viska fe lo gerku
> =
> mi viska lo barda no'u lo gerku
> "I saw something big, which is a dog."
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
>  -- 
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>
>  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/dkdVwtnYA3AJ.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.


------=_Part_218_32647998.1344402533301
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<br><br>On Saturday, August 4, 2012 6:27:34 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div><tt>Am 04.08.2012 09:05, schrieb Gleki
        Arxokuna:<br>
      </tt></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>Ancient Greek and Russian have free word =
order. It
        means that instead of "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can
        literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" due to case markers.</tt>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.</tt></div>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>{mi viska lo barda gerku} =3D {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo
          gerku fa mi}?</tt></div>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
        <div><tt><b>Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more
              than once in a bridi it means that we can join them back
              with {je}. So</b></tt></div>
        <div><tt><b>{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi}&nbsp;=3D&nbsp;{mi=
 viska lo
              barda je gerku}.</b></tt></div>
        <div><tt><b>If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other
              connectives such partitioning is not possible.</b></tt></div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><tt><br>
        </tt></div>
      <div><tt>pei?</tt></div>
    </blockquote>
    <tt><br>
      I don't like using logical connectives for this. How about no'u?<br><=
/tt></div></blockquote><div>1. Taking into account that la selpa'i cu lojbo=
 certu</div><div>this solution has a higher priority :)</div><div>Should be=
 put into the todo list for CLL-2.0</div><div>Other proposals are</div><div=
>2.ju'e/.i</div><div>3.si</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"=
><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      <br>
      fe lo barda fa mi viska fe lo gerku<br>
      =3D<br>
      mi viska lo barda no'u lo gerku<br>
      "I saw something big, which is a dog."<br>
      <br>
      mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
      <br>
    </tt>
    <pre cols=3D"72"><tt>--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo</tt></p=
re>
  </div>

</blockquote>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c=
om/d/msg/lojban/-/dkdVwtnYA3AJ">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/dk=
dVwtnYA3AJ</a>.<br />=20
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



------=_Part_218_32647998.1344402533301--