Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:39950) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzF8l-0006MD-FM; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:20 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf78wib.16 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PpNRcoCUCmT7PhJkE5Rmko869M/3Q8FBXAeANZ43qyY=; b=Q/HVgCG01rocAkR0WpjM/FXHxlM+44c6iWpPNJ/v7hgyvSE0iTJ0ZMx3ZfyPotvbSs V3NB/HaB72svDo4ArXZtOnnGMCrBpROCOWJtI/gSZLO7DgB0fhZB5xeURGmqv0ziZnsi Jc3Iiwl18Ob9qOPYPdHrQbuUeu6X3y9dmNRQM= Received: by 10.216.138.23 with SMTP id z23mr466275wei.73.1344466441463; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.96.130 with SMTP id r2ls572334eef.9.gmail; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.218.199 with SMTP id k47mr16108577eep.5.1344466440680; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.218.199 with SMTP id k47mr16108576eep.5.1344466440669; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f46.google.com (mail-ee0-f46.google.com [74.125.83.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si29338604eep.0.2012.08.08.15.54.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.46; Received: by mail-ee0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l10so395347eei.19 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.184.133 with SMTP id s5mr24560271eem.31.1344466440561; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.178.196 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:54:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1a5f9ca9-75f1-409b-868c-5b7c3e6a9674@googlegroups.com> <1059afae-0f80-41eb-9a0f-e95bca0179ac@googlegroups.com> <1344353668.22980.YahooMailNeo@web184401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <318ca405-4913-4081-9642-222bdfee3958@googlegroups.com> <1344375991.99278.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:54:00 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: >> >> anyway, what is in your opinion the difference between {pu'i} and {ca'a}= ? [...] > That leaves two interesting meanings without a simple form, that we > can assign to "pu'i" and "nu'o": > > ka'e na je ca'a =3D pu'i > ka'e je na ca'a =3D nu'o > > pu'i: "actually, but not necessarily" or "actually, but possibly not" > nu'o: "actually not but possibly" or "actually not, but not necessarily n= ot" I forgot to mention that this corresponds well with your diagrams: "pu'i" is a black ball that comes from a bag also containing white balls, and "nu'o is a white ball that comes from a bag also containing black balls, so they make reference both to the ball and the bag, while "ca'a" is just a black ball, and "ka'e" is just a bag containg black balls. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.