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[213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id fb20si391331wid.3.2012.08.09.12.04.25; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Aug 2012 19:04:25 -0000 Received: from p57A081B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.129.182] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 09 Aug 2012 21:04:25 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/3PkYGrOP3BgZl2zwKn2ds58N+1/N5h6G8P0b/DQ 8qdORFIaovJ+og Message-ID: <502409B8.1030707@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:04:24 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zo cmene (to zo'o nai toi) References: <58221119-da1b-4b82-ad45-087a4478461b@googlegroups.com> <06c872f9-2cf0-4e69-bd17-b5b2bedc7b5b@googlegroups.com> <5023E921.5080200@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060702020802050807070905" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060702020802050807070905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 09.08.2012 18:59, schrieb iesk: > Le jeudi 9 ao=FBt 2012 18:45:21 UTC+2, selpa'i a =E9crit : > > .i je mi se cmene zo selpa'i .i > ja'o mi se cmene lo melbi > .i ua pei > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > --=20 > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo > > > By the way do you consider 'la selpa'i' the same name as eg 'la=20 > selprami'? I guess this is not of any particular practical relevance,=20 > but I have been asking myself this weird kind of questions =85 I should= =20 > re-read some texts about what names actually are. :) There is some dispute over whether or not names keep some or any of the=20 meaning or if they are just strings of letters and nothing more. Personally, I feel that there is at least a hint of meaning left, but=20 it's loose enough for it to allow all the freedom you want. Afterall,=20 names are just pronouns in a way, they refer to a particular person or=20 thing and it doesn't matter much what word you use to make that reference. I would not like to be called "selprami", because I chose "selpa'i" also=20 for its sound and look, which I like very much. "selprami" appeals much=20 less to me. 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Am 09.08.2012 18:59, schrieb iesk:
Le jeudi 9 ao=FBt 2012 18:45:21 UTC+2, selpa'i a =E9cri= t=A0:
.i je mi se cmene zo selpa'i .i
ja'o mi se cmene lo melbi
.i ua pei

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo


By the way do you consider 'la selpa'i' the same name as eg 'la selprami'? I guess this is not of any particular practical relevance, but I have been asking myself this weird kind of questions =85 I should re-read some texts about what names actually are. :)

There is some dispute over whether or not names keep some or any of the meaning or if they are just strings of letters and nothing more.
Personally, I feel that there is at least a hint of meaning left, but it's loose enough for it to allow all the freedom you want. Afterall, names are just pronouns in a way, they refer to a particular person or thing and it doesn't matter much what word you use to make that reference.
I would not like to be called "selprami", because I chose "selpa'i" also for its sound and look, which I like very much. "selprami" appeals much less to me. However, I think they both mean more or less the same thing.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

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