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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_48_16400622_ABzdi2IAAX6KUCQJvwIjPASqxEI Subject: Re: [lojban] zo cmene (to zo'o nai toi) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:13:16 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.213.165 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--983704779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-1--983704779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 David? Sent from my iPad On Aug 9, 2012, at 2:04 PM, selpa'i wrote: > Am 09.08.2012 18:59, schrieb iesk: >> Le jeudi 9 ao=FBt 2012 18:45:21 UTC+2, selpa'i a =E9crit : >> .i je mi se cmene zo selpa'i .i=20 >> ja'o mi se cmene lo melbi=20 >> .i ua pei=20 >>=20 >> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> By the way do you consider 'la selpa'i' the same name as eg 'la selprami= '? I guess this is not of any particular practical relevance, but I have be= en asking myself this weird kind of questions =85 I should re-read some tex= ts about what names actually are. :) >=20 > There is some dispute over whether or not names keep some or any of the m= eaning or if they are just strings of letters and nothing more. > Personally, I feel that there is at least a hint of meaning left, but it'= s loose enough for it to allow all the freedom you want. Afterall, names ar= e just pronouns in a way, they refer to a particular person or thing and it= doesn't matter much what word you use to make that reference. > I would not like to be called "selprami", because I chose "selpa'i" also = for its sound and look, which I like very much. "selprami" appeals much les= s to me. However, I think they both mean more or less the same thing. >=20 > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > --=20 > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Aug 9, 2012, at 2:04 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

Am 09.08.2012 18:59, schrieb iesk:
Le jeudi 9 ao=FBt 2012 18:45:21 UTC+2, selpa'i a =E9c= rit :
.i je mi se cmene zo selpa'i .i
ja'o mi se cmene lo melbi
.i ua pei

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo


By the way do you consider 'la selpa'i' the same name as eg 'la selprami'? I guess this is not of any particular practical relevance, but I have been asking myself this weird kind of questions =85 I should re-read some texts about what names actually are. :)

There is some dispute over whether or not names keep some or any of the meaning or if they are just strings of letters and nothing more.
Personally, I feel that there is at least a hint of meaning left, but it's loose enough for it to allow all the freedom you want. Afterall, names are just pronouns in a way, they refer to a particular person or thing and it doesn't matter much what word you use to make that reference.
I would not like to be called "selprami", because I chose "selpa'i" also for its sound and look, which I like very much. "selprami" appeals much less to me. However, I think they both mean more or less the same thing.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
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