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On Friday, August 10, 2012 11:40:37 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>
> I had an idea. Things can only move circularly in one of two directions. 
>>> Why not just use {carna fi li pa} and {carna fi li re}, or even {carna fi 
>>> lo pritu} and {carna fi lo zunle}? 
>>
>>
> From a completely unbiased standpoint, without any cultural knowledge, 
> does that unambiguously indicate direction of rotation?
> Which way is "left"? Are we measuring from the bottom or the top?
> Which way is the "first" rotation? Is that culturally neutral? 
>
I'm pretty sure that it's not.
doi lindar, your solution works, we only need to to replace "farlu" with 
something more generalised.
But....
*
*
*Against lujvo.*
Although we can fix any meaning in any lujvo I want something more 
fundamental.
otherwise we can just replace half of gismu with lujvo. It doesnt make tha 
language more beautiful.
ju'o if a concept is fundamental it's a semantic prim and deserves a gismu 
or short fu'ivla/zi'evla.


I have a feeling that this concept of 
handedness/chirality/handedness/clockwise can be used in so many cases that 
it should form other lujvo itself. therefore should have may be even rafsi.

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<br><br>On Friday, August 10, 2012 11:40:37 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:<bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
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t:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D=
"gmail_quote">I
 had an idea. Things can only move circularly in one of two directions.=20
Why not just use {carna fi li pa} and {carna fi li re}, or even {carna=20
fi lo pritu} and {carna fi lo zunle}?&nbsp;</blockquote></div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>From a completely unbiased standpoint, without an=
y cultural knowledge, does that unambiguously indicate direction of rotatio=
n?</div><div>Which way is "left"? Are we measuring from the bottom or the t=
op?</div><div>Which way is the "first" rotation? Is that culturally neutral=
?&nbsp;</div></blockquote><div>I'm pretty sure that it's not.</div><div>doi=
 lindar, your solution works, we only need to to replace "farlu" with somet=
hing more generalised.</div><div>But....</div><div><b><u><br></u></b></div>=
<div><b><u>Against lujvo.</u></b><br><div>Although we can fix any meaning i=
n any lujvo I want something more fundamental.</div><div>otherwise we can j=
ust replace half of gismu with lujvo. It doesnt make tha language more beau=
tiful.</div><div>ju'o if a concept is fundamental it's a semantic prim and =
deserves a gismu or short fu'ivla/zi'evla.</div></div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>I have a feeling that this concept of handedness/chirality/ha=
ndedness/clockwise can be used in so many cases that it should form other l=
ujvo itself. therefore&nbsp;should have may be even rafsi.<br></div>

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