Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:59539) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzrvS-0000S9-Rz; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:19:09 -0700 Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32sf1702199qad.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bpX1+4PQu8uYxQmMvIj5k+LUjgSykRTncz8l4PSzBxk=; b=tdbVUAqLbpbkr0duCstMinqPxhzyyNX+KnrhTgTbNll8bl352usnDqHbgknn360iVb fYKGOizGK3Ll8sVVKzqxOrGafCq464zwv75xBheWnKf+44DehlvnByRmPWGh1R7oZ3JJ t8A83Ff7Co2oTgC04dr1IS6B6IKNteOFdpt2I= Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr812640yhm.0.1344615536191; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.120.244 with SMTP id p80ls7654664yhh.0.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.179.72 with SMTP id g48mr1726062yhm.37.1344615535510; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.179.72 with SMTP id g48mr1726061yhm.37.1344615535498; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f175.google.com (mail-yx0-f175.google.com [209.85.213.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l49si1199712yhe.1.2012.08.10.09.18.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.175; Received: by mail-yx0-f175.google.com with SMTP id m1so1766218yen.20 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.5.196 with SMTP id u4mr2347317igu.41.1344615535316; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.124.37 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201aced6-3e11-408d-b3ec-c31d042519c7@googlegroups.com> <50eeeab2-c661-4c30-8cda-2f9ddb8767de@googlegroups.com> <4bdee803-3d24-474b-bf12-ced2d730960a@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:18:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > W1 = x1 is rotating clockwise on axis x2 in reference frame x3. > W2 = x1 is rotating counterclockwise on axis x2 in reference frame x3. Let's admit that, but the meanings of W1 and W2 are cultural. How do I know something turns clockwise --- that is, how do I explain it to some distant alien ??? If I say that the rotation vector is some Z which is (X x Y), then I must explain how to carry the vectorial product in such a way that I notify that the Z direction is the one of my middle finger when my thumb plays X's role, and my second finger Y' role, with my right hand, for instance... Which is totally untractable for a alien living in Andromeda, or in a mirror-reversed world. Thus, this explanation is CULTURALLY biased. Another explanation invoking the rotation direction of an ORDINARY clock, or of the Sun in MY hemisphery,... would be of course cultural too... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.