Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:41476) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzuJP-0002IZ-JV; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:52:01 -0700 Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2sf2007862pbb.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Vdngzd1jlC1iODez71aaOhX+P6he/g27Q6zAUwvhai4=; b=lfGvWnMb3vySjVdSeQfvpbi85BNrSX75iLCSUDOowzgyjiCzvYZSDO2gwHXa9zwzt6 LMXniSDAQdGhIHeqX1PpZpws50OjfjxHMj7m8Eo2mkbq+AvwKK4lCBLpIOhUc9IVO139 0VWPeSyPWFgqz0thoSnq81Z75L9uLUs5BUWRc= Received: by 10.236.184.196 with SMTP id s44mr958194yhm.16.1344624708842; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.154.170 with SMTP id h30ls7240156yhk.7.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.190.104 with SMTP id d68mr2028819yhn.45.1344624708231; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.190.104 with SMTP id d68mr2028818yhn.45.1344624708215; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f177.google.com (mail-gg0-f177.google.com [209.85.161.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i27si1290097yhe.4.2012.08.10.11.51.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.177; Received: by mail-gg0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m2so2051012ggn.36 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.154.232 with SMTP id vr8mr378493igb.2.1344624707910; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.20.11 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:51:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201aced6-3e11-408d-b3ec-c31d042519c7@googlegroups.com> <50eeeab2-c661-4c30-8cda-2f9ddb8767de@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:51:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934101f123e8c04c6edd6e8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae934101f123e8c04c6edd6e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:18 AM, la .lindar. wrote: > >> Maybe something like {prityfalgu'o} and {zulfalgu'o}? > > > That's fairly inaccurate. Rotation has nothing to with gravity, and > falling /requires/ it. It is perfectly possible for something to > move/rotate in a clockwise direction without falling. Every celestial body > that isn't rotating counter-clockwise does it. (technically: the rotation > of the Earth has nothing to do with the fact that the Earth is perpetually > falling toward Sol.) What is the standard for determining north/right-left? Whether Earth (and other bodies in space) rotate and revolve clockwise or counterclockwise is purely arbitrary, 50/50. But once any one thing is determined to be north, everything else follows. How about using chirality as the basis of a definition? stevo > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --14dae934101f123e8c04c6edd6e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Jonatha= n Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:18 A= M, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe something like {prityfalgu'o} and {zulfalgu'o}?

That's fairly inaccurate. Rotation has not= hing to with gravity, and falling /requires/ it. It is perfectly possible f= or something to move/rotate in a clockwise direction without falling. Every= celestial body that isn't rotating counter-clockwise does it. (technic= ally: the rotation of the Earth has nothing to do with the fact that the Ea= rth is perpetually falling toward Sol.)

What is the standard for determining north/right-left?= =A0
Whether Earth (and other bodies in space) rotate and revolve = clockwise or counterclockwise is purely arbitrary, 50/50. But once any one = thing is determined to be north, everything else follows.=A0
How about using chirality as the basis of a definition?=A0
<= br>
stevo=A0


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