Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:47043) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Szvz0-0003Uo-CO; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:39:04 -0700 Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13sf760124wgb.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=acoe5P3/DqBZhuVreWXq1Kc1JHLgbRkPrFhC+F6RM5A=; b=xSrjNNVvrte5feUZvZVDnWkNEsatUHKcrgk80Kvf+AMB+iJnjT4TD+Pgb7iteBlpv0 Z7DQpKsyFKCbmzvk3PBgyhZCZ63kNanrvFJJQCt/AG+TQkcUfx6YAS5axPAOQ6x5L/AE uV1LHYvL+avXu5K0BIAAkakvMY3rqJkyRumB4= Received: by 10.204.129.7 with SMTP id m7mr203422bks.17.1344631130609; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.119.129 with SMTP id fu1ls3632323bkc.4.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr611441bks.4.1344631129720; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr611440bks.4.1344631129699; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si1290118bkj.3.2012.08.10.13.38.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.48; Received: by lagr15 with SMTP id r15so890631lag.7 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.37.67 with SMTP id w3mr2844191lbj.93.1344631129213; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.136.73 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:38:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The global problem of mirror paired predicates From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2c8ecf8bf104c6ef54b7 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e0cb4efe2c8ecf8bf104c6ef54b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > *AFFIX POLICY FOR SCALE PREDICATE IN ESPERANTO AND ITHKUIL IS NOT .... > NEUTRAL.* > Gleki, I agree about the mentioned practices not being neutral, but it's not cultural. Cultural neutrality means not biasing words, grammar, etc. in favor of any one culture. As in, not using words which are too Australian, or forming sentences in a manner too Asian. (I'm trying to use examples which don't potentially confuse language with culture.) IFF we had chosen to not have a word meaning "left", but instead decided to use {to'e pritu}, then yes, it would not have been a neutral move on our part. However, it would not be a CULTURALLY-biased move. Right-handed people vastly outnumber left-handed people in /every/ culture throughout the world, so obviously right-handedness is not a /cultural/ bias. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e0cb4efe2c8ecf8bf104c6ef54b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Gleki Arxokuna = <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
AFFIX POLICY FOR SCALE PREDICATE IN ESPERANTO AND ITHKUIL IS NOT ..= .. NEUTRAL.

Gleki, I agree about the mentioned practices not being neutral= , but it's not cultural.

Cultural neutrality means not biasing words, grammar, etc. in favor of = any one culture. As in, not using words which are too Australian, or formin= g sentences in a manner too Asian. (I'm trying to use examples which do= n't potentially confuse language with culture.)

IFF we had chosen to not have a word meaning "left", but inst= ead decided to use {to'e pritu}, then yes, it would not have been a neu= tral move on our part. However, it would not be a CULTURALLY-biased move. R= ight-handed people vastly outnumber left-handed people in /every/ culture t= hroughout the world, so obviously right-handedness is not a /cultural/ bias= .

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