Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:50421) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzzeA-0005pe-TX; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:55 -0700 Received: by lage12 with SMTP id e12sf811032lag.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=miQiMpnq0MBZcMG+JdHpMxuV5nJrFRzdOzU1kKbr7jw=; b=HqXbAYN1S6dIgrEvPJ4xMseaJJsUBM3pesKoLIfykJjrZQztLkoqkfpdgm40d6z7De n1W3XV67HCvh2IrcttNwvXMur/ySS8tRPNlNGjvgso8EI5Qnq0zJbdWRmFUSRuKwK83J VqdhW0ZC5tX/ZRBCeVo9tj1YXvpZJCvkZA9iQ= Received: by 10.204.128.199 with SMTP id l7mr256453bks.0.1344645212688; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.213 with SMTP id e21ls3694724bke.2.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.88 with SMTP id o24mr655980bko.0.1344645211909; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.88 with SMTP id o24mr655979bko.0.1344645211889; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si85488bks.2.2012.08.10.17.33.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.44; Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so1436032lah.17 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.114.3 with SMTP id jc3mr1174861lab.11.1344645211513; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.136.73 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:33:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208102246.34877.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:33:31 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088c7f2e63ea04c6f29c26 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04088c7f2e63ea04c6f29c26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM, la .lindar. wrote: > Escape Landsome, you're not contributing to the conversation by > misunderstanding basic concepts and then arguing against opinions nobody > has. Nobody was claiming to know of a culturally-neutral word for > "clockwise", therefore nobody is inclined to prove it. The entire topic of > this conversation is precisely about whether or not we *can* come up with > such a thing. Also, how do you not understand what a reference frame is? If > the north end of the earth is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinning > anticlockwise, but if the south end is pointed toward you, it appears to be > spinning clockwise. How is that not obvious and intrinsic to the concept to > you? > > Back to the point, can we come up with the *least* wrong answer *right > now* so I have something to use at all? > Is anybody going to misunderstand {carna fi lo pritu} if we apply Powell's > Principle? > What's Powell's Principle? > I really need anything, so if you have an answer that's less incorrect, > please let me know. > The only thing I can think of that may be less incorrect is {carna fi li [ma'u/ni'u]}, but it requires an understanding of polar notation to get. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04088c7f2e63ea04c6f29c26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM, la .lin= dar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
Escape Landsome, you're not contributing to the conversation by misunde= rstanding basic concepts and then arguing against opinions nobody has. Nobo= dy was claiming to know of a culturally-neutral word for "clockwise&qu= ot;, therefore nobody is inclined to prove it. The entire topic of this con= versation is precisely about whether or not we *can* come up with such a th= ing. Also, how do you not understand what a reference frame is? If the nort= h end of the earth is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinning anticlo= ckwise, but if the south end is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinni= ng clockwise. How is that not obvious and intrinsic to the concept to you?<= div>
Back to the point, can we come up with the *least* wrong ans= wer *right now* so I have something to use at all?
Is anybody goi= ng to misunderstand {carna fi lo pritu} if we apply Powell's Principle?=

What's Powell's Principle?
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I really need anything, so if you have an ans= wer that's less incorrect, please let me know.

The only thing I can think of that may be less incor= rect is {carna fi li [ma'u/ni'u]}, but it requires an understanding= of polar notation to get.

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