Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:64272) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Szzqq-0005vF-2I; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:56 -0700 Received: by eaan13 with SMTP id n13sf819406eaa.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=U0dOvKhDZ/rZxVFrKwOL5yjZvvzg3EUdlzjMyF8o+SI=; b=ZTugrKahNaNow2klytLHETv3P9rdjsRWsYk82olspC4IHtNeZzFdWDPANYqyqelRmy rKHcQo/TxrXyyvORShHT3B96EsXSaj1+D9scCZeGhj9AkK71eRhzTFng9g8UDPB2R65A I9AAk11lJ0cE79UftbyjBtiu/2z8Z0mOAHw2U= Received: by 10.204.13.69 with SMTP id b5mr249833bka.9.1344645999870; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.213 with SMTP id e21ls3696258bke.2.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.15.209 with SMTP id l17mr653681bka.6.1344645999236; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.15.209 with SMTP id l17mr653680bka.6.1344645999213; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q3si91702bkv.1.2012.08.10.17.46.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.41; Received: by lahd3 with SMTP id d3so1031202lah.28 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.109.166 with SMTP id ht6mr109666lab.46.1344645998799; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.136.73 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:46:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208102246.34877.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:46:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee62c1b6cb104c6f2cb1b X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee62c1b6cb104c6f2cb1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM, la .lindar. wrote: > >> Escape Landsome, you're not contributing to the conversation by >> misunderstanding basic concepts and then arguing against opinions nobody >> has. Nobody was claiming to know of a culturally-neutral word for >> "clockwise", therefore nobody is inclined to prove it. The entire topic of >> this conversation is precisely about whether or not we *can* come up with >> such a thing. Also, how do you not understand what a reference frame is? If >> the north end of the earth is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinning >> anticlockwise, but if the south end is pointed toward you, it appears to be >> spinning clockwise. How is that not obvious and intrinsic to the concept to >> you? >> >> Back to the point, can we come up with the *least* wrong answer *right >> now* so I have something to use at all? >> Is anybody going to misunderstand {carna fi lo pritu} if we apply >> Powell's Principle? >> > > What's Powell's Principle? > > >> I really need anything, so if you have an answer that's less incorrect, >> please let me know. >> > > The only thing I can think of that may be less incorrect is {carna fi li > [ma'u/ni'u]}, but it requires an understanding of polar notation to get. Oh yes, and no matter what you use, you'll still have to add {...ci'e lodu'u X cu galraipau} if it isn't obvious. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:11 P= M, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
Escape Landsome, you're not contributing to the conversation by misunde= rstanding basic concepts and then arguing against opinions nobody has. Nobo= dy was claiming to know of a culturally-neutral word for "clockwise&qu= ot;, therefore nobody is inclined to prove it. The entire topic of this con= versation is precisely about whether or not we *can* come up with such a th= ing. Also, how do you not understand what a reference frame is? If the nort= h end of the earth is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinning anticlo= ckwise, but if the south end is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinni= ng clockwise. How is that not obvious and intrinsic to the concept to you?<= div>
Back to the point, can we come up with the *least* wrong ans= wer *right now* so I have something to use at all?
Is anybody goi= ng to misunderstand {carna fi lo pritu} if we apply Powell's Principle?=

What's Powell's Principle?
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I really need anythin= g, so if you have an answer that's less incorrect, please let me know.<= /div>

The only thing I can think of that may be less= incorrect is {carna fi li [ma'u/ni'u]}, but it requires an underst= anding of polar notation to get.
Oh yes, and no matte= r what you use, you'll still have to add {...ci'e lodu'u X cu g= alraipau} if it isn't obvious.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

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