Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:34432) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Szztd-0005yT-8V; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:54 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4sf817962bkw.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=n3P4b7fnrf5TLYewV5/YpOotF9covl9Aq+26qcXd3+0=; b=bARNf6OCjMk132TiBZE7psmFvpWrtAKdQZxBqXldZiF9fo7jUSvlb9/kpi4SZbqZ6M v3OHjnpnGqPnzTCWKPy6wTuE1z/ghaSNry49uR2MkyqZhzebocELtl0RZEqyE++WG5x8 TxUKxQXJvN0J2QcRF/0pyRmpqZZTkjLmcXyos= Received: by 10.204.152.131 with SMTP id g3mr220104bkw.18.1344646172974; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.4.74 with SMTP id 10ls3758469bkq.0.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr656411bks.2.1344646172074; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.7 with SMTP id q7mr656410bks.2.1344646172053; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si92884bks.0.2012.08.10.17.49.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.43; Received: by lagk11 with SMTP id k11so1358168lag.30 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.125.107 with SMTP id mp11mr776400lab.0.1344646171691; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.136.73 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208102246.34877.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:49:31 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0435beaa698bc504c6f2d554 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0435beaa698bc504c6f2d554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM, la .lindar. wrote: >> >>> Escape Landsome, you're not contributing to the conversation by >>> misunderstanding basic concepts and then arguing against opinions nobody >>> has. Nobody was claiming to know of a culturally-neutral word for >>> "clockwise", therefore nobody is inclined to prove it. The entire topic of >>> this conversation is precisely about whether or not we *can* come up with >>> such a thing. Also, how do you not understand what a reference frame is? If >>> the north end of the earth is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinning >>> anticlockwise, but if the south end is pointed toward you, it appears to be >>> spinning clockwise. How is that not obvious and intrinsic to the concept to >>> you? >>> >>> Back to the point, can we come up with the *least* wrong answer *right >>> now* so I have something to use at all? >>> Is anybody going to misunderstand {carna fi lo pritu} if we apply >>> Powell's Principle? >>> >> >> What's Powell's Principle? >> >> >>> I really need anything, so if you have an answer that's less incorrect, >>> please let me know. >>> >> >> The only thing I can think of that may be less incorrect is {carna fi li >> [ma'u/ni'u]}, but it requires an understanding of polar notation to get. > > > Oh yes, and no matter what you use, you'll still have to add {...ma'i* > lodu'u X cu galraipau} if it isn't obvious. > *correction: ma'i, not ci'e. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:33 P= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM, la .lindar= . <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
Escape Landsome, you're not contributing to the conversation by misunde= rstanding basic concepts and then arguing against opinions nobody has. Nobo= dy was claiming to know of a culturally-neutral word for "clockwise&qu= ot;, therefore nobody is inclined to prove it. The entire topic of this con= versation is precisely about whether or not we *can* come up with such a th= ing. Also, how do you not understand what a reference frame is? If the nort= h end of the earth is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinning anticlo= ckwise, but if the south end is pointed toward you, it appears to be spinni= ng clockwise. How is that not obvious and intrinsic to the concept to you?<= div>
Back to the point, can we come up with the *least* wrong ans= wer *right now* so I have something to use at all?
Is anybody goi= ng to misunderstand {carna fi lo pritu} if we apply Powell's Principle?=

What's Powell's Principle?
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I really need anything, so if you = have an answer that's less incorrect, please let me know.

The only thing I can think of that may be less= incorrect is {carna fi li [ma'u/ni'u]}, but it requires an underst= anding of polar notation to get.

Oh yes, and no= matter what you use, you'll still have to add {...ma'i* lodu'u= X cu galraipau} if it isn't obvious.

*correction: ma'i, not ci'e.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pi= lno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! = Luke, I am your father. :D )

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