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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Friday 10 August 2012 16:02:46 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
>> wrote:
>> > > On Friday 10 August 2012 03:32:53 la .lindar. wrote:
>> > > > What sort of thing would you put in the x3 of carna that would seem
>> > >
>> > > valid.
>> > >
>> > > lo terdi cu carna lo jendu lo berti .i lo junla cu carna lo jendu lo
>> > > bitmu .i
>> > > lo xislu be lo karce cu carna lo jendu lo zunle be lo karce
>> > >
>> > > mu'omi'e .pier.
>> >
>> > Those examples don't work, because in each of them you give a reference
>> > point for the x3, and in none of them do you give a direction. (That
>> said,
>> > if carna's definition was the one I talked ab out last night, all of
>> them
>> > would be perfect examples.)
>>
>> The direction is from the clock, along its axis, into the wall, which
>> corresponds to a direction of rotation by the convention of holding the
>> right
>> hand so that its thumb is along the axis and the other fingers curl in the
>> direction of rotation.
>>
>
> No, that's not what I mean. You don't specify which direction the objects
> are rotating. The "direction" you're talking about is the reference point.


Okay, wait, I missed the "...corresponds to a direction of rotation...."
the first time I read it. Still, your x3's only work if you follow that
convention, which requires you to /know/ it in the first place. I don't
know how known it is, but I'd certainly not heard of it before you
mentioned it, which leads me to believe "very well" is not the answer.

It is a neat way to shove the reference point and direction of rotation
together, even though it always means "counterclockwise".

-- 
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
<div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:42 P=
M, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu"=
 target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">

<div>On Friday 10 August 2012 16:02:46 Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
&gt; On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ph=
ma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; On Friday 10 August 2012 03:32:53 la .lindar. wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; What sort of thing would you put in the x3 of carna that wou=
ld seem<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; valid.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; lo terdi cu carna lo jendu lo berti .i lo junla cu carna lo jendu=
 lo<br>
&gt; &gt; bitmu .i<br>
&gt; &gt; lo xislu be lo karce cu carna lo jendu lo zunle be lo karce<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; mu&#39;omi&#39;e .pier.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Those examples don&#39;t work, because in each of them you give a refe=
rence<br>
&gt; point for the x3, and in none of them do you give a direction. (That s=
aid,<br>
&gt; if carna&#39;s definition was the one I talked ab out last night, all =
of them<br>
&gt; would be perfect examples.)<br>
<br>
</div>The direction is from the clock, along its axis, into the wall, which=
<br>
corresponds to a direction of rotation by the convention of holding the rig=
ht<br>
hand so that its thumb is along the axis and the other fingers curl in the<=
br>
direction of rotation.<span><font color=3D"#888888"></font></span><br></blo=
ckquote></div><br></div>No, that&#39;s not what I mean. You don&#39;t speci=
fy which direction the objects are rotating. The &quot;direction&quot; you&=
#39;re talking about is the reference point.</blockquote>
</div><br>Okay, wait, I missed the &quot;...corresponds to a direction of r=
otation....&quot; the first time I read it. Still, your x3&#39;s only work =
if you follow that convention, which requires you to /know/ it in the first=
 place. I don&#39;t know how known it is, but I&#39;d certainly not heard o=
f it before you mentioned it, which leads me to believe &quot;very well&quo=
t; is not the answer.<br>
<br>It is a neat way to shove the reference point and direction of rotation=
 together, even though it always means &quot;counterclockwise&quot;.<br cle=
ar=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cm=
ima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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