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On 11 August 2012 05:42, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me the difference between
>
> {lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode}
> What is more interesting that latros entered a new cmavo {no'oi} which is
> the same as {noi} but applied to selbri.
> And {lo=3Dzo'e noi}.
> If so what's the difference between
> {lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode} vs.
> {brode no'oi broda}?
>
>
It has to do with quantification, emphasis, and context. {lo broda} refers
to a broda that is presumably already in context, and for which it is
already somewhat known to be a broda, given the nature of the underlying
mechanism {zo'e noi broda}. However, {lo broda cu brode} and {broda je
brode} are drastically different. The former says that there are some broda
(that are known to be broda and that in context) that are also brode,
whereas {broda je brode} is explicitly assigning the properties broda and
brode to something in context. In both cases, there is something in
context, but in the {je} example, it is not presumed that the thing in
context being a broda is known by the listener, not to mention that the
{lo} form creates a sort of symbol that loosely always refers to the same
thing(s).

Anyway, the implicit je thing is something that I personally dislike about
loksan, if that's what this is about.

mu'o


> Next.
> In Lesniewski's logic "a =E5 b" means "Earth is a planet", "Alice is a
> human" but not vice versa.
> In Natural Language Processing there is a predicate "instance-of" so that
> "New York is a city" turns into "New York is an-instance-of a city".
>
> How should I understand the same stuff in Lojban?
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On 11 August 2012 05:42, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">

Can anyone tell me the difference between=A0<br><br>{lo broda cu brode} vs.=
 {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode}<div>What is more interesting that=
 latros entered a new cmavo {no&#39;oi} which is the same as {noi} but appl=
ied to selbri.</div>

<div>And {lo=3Dzo&#39;e noi}.<br></div><div>If so what&#39;s the difference=
 between</div><div>{lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda j=
e brode}=A0vs. {brode no&#39;oi broda}?<br></div><div><br></div></blockquot=
e>

<div><br></div><div>It has to do with quantification, emphasis, and context=
. {lo broda} refers to a broda that is presumably already in context, and f=
or which it is already somewhat known to be a broda, given the nature of th=
e underlying mechanism {zo&#39;e noi broda}. However, {lo broda cu brode} a=
nd {broda je brode} are drastically different. The former says that there a=
re some broda (that are known to be broda and that in context) that are als=
o brode, whereas {broda je brode} is explicitly assigning the properties br=
oda and brode to something in context. In both cases, there is something in=
 context, but in the {je} example, it is not presumed that the thing in con=
text being a broda is known by the listener, not to mention that the {lo} f=
orm creates a sort of symbol that loosely always refers to the same thing(s=
).</div>

<div><br></div><div>Anyway, the implicit je thing is something that I perso=
nally dislike about loksan, if that&#39;s what this is about.</div><div><br=
></div><div>mu&#39;o</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div></div><div>Next.</div><div>In Lesniewski&#39;s=A0logic=A0&quot;a =E5 b=
&quot; means &quot;Earth is a planet&quot;, &quot;Alice is a human&quot; bu=
t not vice versa.</div><div>In Natural Language Processing there is a predi=
cate &quot;instance-of&quot; so that &quot;New York is a city&quot; turns i=
nto &quot;New York is an-instance-of a city&quot;.</div>

<div><br></div><div>How should I understand the same stuff in Lojban?</div>=
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div>

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