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Subject: Re: [lojban] {lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me the difference between
>
> {lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode}

I would say it's a matter of information structure, "lo" marking the
topic and "cu" the comment.
(See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic%E2%80%93comment )
In "lo nixli cu limna" you are talking about girls and saying that
they are swimmers, in "lo limna cu nixli" you are talking about
swimmers and saying that they are girls. "nixli je limna" is more
complex: you are talking about something implicit in the context, and
making the compound claim that they are girl swimmers.

> What is more interesting that latros entered a new cmavo {no'oi} which is
> the same as {noi} but applied to selbri.
> And {lo=3Dzo'e noi}.
> If so what's the difference between
> {lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode} vs. {bro=
de
> no'oi broda}?

"noi" introduces an separate clause, which is not part of the main
claim. It will usually be incidental information, or something the
speaker is taking for granted rather than advancing as a claim. The
noi-clause has its own independent illocutionary force too, so you
could make it a question or a command while the main clause is a claim
or vice versa.

> Next.
> In Lesniewski's logic "a =E5 b" means "Earth is a planet", "Alice is a hu=
man"
> but not vice versa.
> In Natural Language Processing there is a predicate "instance-of" so that
> "New York is a city" turns into "New York is an-instance-of a city".
>
> How should I understand the same stuff in Lojban?

It sounds like "me": "ko'a me ko'e"

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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