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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>wro=
te:

>
> At least no claim or assertion can do it, but you can use a
> proposition for other purposes than making claims. "ca'e" is supposed
> to mark a sentence as a performative (despite its gloss), so if you
> say "ca'e mi jarco lo nu mi brodu lo nu klama"; "I hereby express my
> intention to go", you are thereby expressing an intention to go. So
> ".ai" could be taken as an abreviated form of "ca'e mi jarco lo nu mi
> brodu". Similarly for other attitudinals, "ui" is similar to "ca'e mi
> jarco lo nu mi gleki", "I hereby display my happiness", and so on.
> (The wordy form doesn't quite have the same practical effect though.)
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
>
I would think that ".ui" simply means "I am happy", not "I display my
happiness".  Either way, if the speaker is actually unhappy, I think that
we have to admit that he is being disingenuous to his audience if he utters
".ui" with no hint of irony.  Because of this, I think these attitudinals
are as truth-functional as any brivla: they evaluate to a real truth value
given two arguments: the speaker and the proposition that the attitudinal
is embedded in. Obviously it's hard to know if a person is truthful in the
expression of his own feelings, but there are sometimes signs, and the
truth value of such expressions are still there, however hidden.

Even more so in the case with the irrealis attitudinals.  If I say ".ai [I
am giving you a million bucks tomorrow]" when I know that I am bankrupt and
all my banking accounts are overdrawn then clearly I am lying to you.  ".ai
mi dunda la lunra do" is simply (literally) false when uttered by any
non-delusional interlocutor.

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jorge L=
lamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<br>
At least no claim or assertion can do it, but you can use a<br>
proposition for other purposes than making claims. &quot;ca&#39;e&quot; is =
supposed<br>
to mark a sentence as a performative (despite its gloss), so if you<br>
say &quot;ca&#39;e mi jarco lo nu mi brodu lo nu klama&quot;; &quot;I hereb=
y express my<br>
intention to go&quot;, you are thereby expressing an intention to go. So<br=
>
&quot;.ai&quot; could be taken as an abreviated form of &quot;ca&#39;e mi j=
arco lo nu mi<br>
brodu&quot;. Similarly for other attitudinals, &quot;ui&quot; is similar to=
 &quot;ca&#39;e mi<br>
jarco lo nu mi gleki&quot;, &quot;I hereby display my happiness&quot;, and =
so on.<br>
(The wordy form doesn&#39;t quite have the same practical effect though.)<b=
r>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>=
<br>I would think that &quot;.ui&quot; simply means &quot;I am happy&quot;,=
 not &quot;I display my happiness&quot;.=A0 Either way, if the speaker is a=
ctually unhappy, I think that we have to admit that he is being disingenuou=
s to his audience if he utters &quot;.ui&quot; with no hint of irony.=A0 Be=
cause of this, I think these attitudinals are as truth-functional as any br=
ivla: they evaluate to a real truth value given two arguments: the speaker =
and the proposition that the attitudinal is embedded in. Obviously it&#39;s=
 hard to know if a person is truthful in the expression of his own feelings=
, but there are sometimes signs, and the truth value of such expressions ar=
e still there, however hidden.<br>
<br>Even more so in the case with the irrealis attitudinals.=A0 If I say &q=
uot;.ai [I am giving you a million bucks tomorrow]&quot; when I know that I=
 am bankrupt and all my banking accounts are overdrawn then clearly I am ly=
ing to you.=A0 &quot;.ai mi dunda la lunra do&quot; is simply (literally) f=
alse when uttered by any non-delusional interlocutor.<br>
<br><br><br><br>

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