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John E Clifford wrote:
> Interesting read on {ca'e}; where does it come from? I would have
> thought it belonged to rhetoric, not pragmatics; a move to stipulate a
> meaning for a contentious term in order to get on to substantive
> issues.  Or to introduce a new term altogether to develop a novel
> theory.  The "Believe or not, what I am now doing is showing intention
> to do x" reading seems to me not much in keeping with the given
> definition or the whirl of words (admittedly not very coherent) around
> the word {ca'e} in other contexts.  It also seems strangely
> propositional (with which you can't do much but make a claim -- your
> example does seem to be an assertion with {ca'e} calling attention to it).

ca'e was defined and classified as one of the evidentials, which stem 
from La'adan and Amerind languages.  I don't think of them as 
performative, as I understand that term (I probably don') or rhetorical. 
  But I am not sure about the applicability of "pragmatics" either.

Alas it has been 20 years since I thought much about La'adan and the 
concepts that we borrowed from it.

> I agree that {zukte}, as it stands, does little for intentionally, but,
> as you note, that has little to do with intending to do something.  I'm
> not sure (and philosophers as a group aren't either, never mind
> individuals with very definite ideas) just what is needed, as, perhaps,
> for a modifier "intentionally" left otherwise undefined.

I still think that platu is more applicable than zukte.  zukte has a 
goal which is probably an intention, but it links a specific action to 
that goal, which may less an intention than one of several steps in 
order to achieve the intended terzu'e goal (and possibly not a necessary 
step, if there is more than one way to achieve the goal).

lojbab
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