Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:40711) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T0gqn-0003Qg-Ok; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:47 -0700 Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3sf4178064obb.16 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8wJZUjoYwH540wj09xU5rFZfDn3Fn51J/kqI5sU8oWk=; b=F12lanOMy60oAEBAwIHzUzUCDp9cy0SnzrQa2XWGG3u1pKyL+0vRGxqF3UoPUSRn5B 3DHXK5fCoZIAGrbx5Fo4Z9fWwGa9vI/vM/V2J77w/liEGs+Pev6IAyc3iMnsYsNLwf1z 5p6k0E/Z7uxQ3oN1G/RT3EMSH+gWj6V1V9YDg= Received: by 10.52.67.71 with SMTP id l7mr1250335vdt.12.1344811291026; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.239.208 with SMTP id kx16ls4219243vcb.8.gmail; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.68.3 with SMTP id r3mr1353419vet.19.1344811290458; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.68.3 with SMTP id r3mr1353418vet.19.1344811290449; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4si402213vds.3.2012.08.12.15.41.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so2999662vbk.28 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.133.48 with SMTP id oz16mr1381972veb.1.1344811290324; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.252.104 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:41:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50255C09.10805@lojban.org> <1344701600.97921.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5027FFA0.5000700@lojban.org> From: Alex Rozenshteyn Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:41:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {.au}/{djica}={.ai}/{?}. No gismu for intention To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > .a'o la djan pu tolcri lo jaspu be dy > "Hopefully, John found his passport." Can't this also be viewed as "There's hope! John found his passport." If not, how would I express that? > > la'a la djan pu tolcri lo jaspu be dy > "Probably, John found his passport." > > da'i la djan pu tolcri lo jaspu be dy > "Let's assume John found his passport." > > xu la djan pu tolcri lo jaspu be dy > "Did John find his passport." > > Those are not claims that John did find his passport. The speaker > doesn't know whether he did or not, that's why an irrealis marker is > used. > >> Emotions are NOT "logical", nor truth-functional. Most people probably >> prefer it that way, even if it makes them sometimes seem a bit delusional. >> So long as we can clearly distinguish between the claim and the emotional >> expression, this causes no problem in communication. > > It should be pointed out that most UIs are not used for emotional > expression, although some of them can probably be turned into > expressions of emotion by adding "ro'i". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.