Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:60868) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T0gxL-0003Wn-CP; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:33 -0700 Received: by ggcs5 with SMTP id s5sf4193668ggc.16 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tiYyQ/KvtF8RRWTzrt1wU/WyRWH7SWMjJu6aZuZWYmQ=; b=S6RhPCkQt8M7Ub/cas2w8M2lZXlIvLPq2GCpM0dyzDvoSvOUTvi8Vwp0myiKllQxFn ylMSl85iSmtbAzKA9f0iNmlwLppK2HqkX+T2eGzOlma91qwkCBXURFDwo8pkZuLilugw YnrHBHGjEDxzQBvqMf/k4m/P2WRuiwVuuJYGI= Received: by 10.52.23.145 with SMTP id m17mr129974vdf.0.1344811688492; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.155.6 with SMTP id q6ls128657vcw.3.gmail; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.97.102 with SMTP id dz6mr961448vdb.2.1344811687962; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a9g2000vbn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/21.0.1180.75 Safari/537.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <2f5fd16a-8803-4339-8e22-54d8ae86f466@a9g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Quotation marks From: ianek To: lojban X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I've noticed that Lojban's quotation marks are more limited than those in natlangs. They only turn text into sumti referring to that text. On the other hand, natlang quotation marks have many more uses: * mark fragment of text as someone else's words, eg. "I like it when you 'walk to the store', as John calls it". I can't find an equivalent in Lojban * mark non-standard usage, like neologism, slang, stretched meaning (some of them may be covered by {pe'a} and {za'e}) * indicate irony, in the sense {je'unai} (but is it exactly this? example: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2103) I'd like to know how to express the first of those. mu'o mi'e ianek -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.