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On Monday, August 13, 2012 8:50:01 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:21 PM, vitci'i <celestial...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> On 08/12/2012 11:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:17:20 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> But you still need to specify which thumb.
>> >>>
>> >>> The right one; that's why it's a right hand rule.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Is there no escape from this?
>> >>>
>> >>> No, there isn't; as aionus pointed out, you need a reference frame.
>> >>>
>> >> Unfortunately, it's not culturally neutral.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes it is. It's lack of neutrality is not cultural.
>>
>> Unless, perhaps, someone can cite different existing cultures doing it
>> differently. But I don't think that's the case.
>>
>
> You don't seem to understand what culturally neutral means. If there is no 
> culture that does a certain thing differently than the other cultures, than 
> us also doing it that way is /not/ culturally biased. In order for it to be 
> biased, it has to be something one (subset) of the various cultures do in 
> this way. 
>
I understand. Let's wait until such culture is discovered. But I doubt 
whether there are languages that have separate words for "clockwise" that 
are not derived from metaphors.


> -- 
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
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<br><br>On Monday, August 13, 2012 8:50:01 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left:=
 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug =
12, 2012 at 10:21 PM, vitci'i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:"=
 target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"d9dTxKXa20cJ">celestial...@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 08/12/2012 11:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
&gt; On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Gleki Arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"javasc=
ript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"d9dTxKXa20cJ">gleki.is...=
@gmail.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:17:20 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But you still need to specify which thumb.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; The right one; that's why it's a right hand rule.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there no escape from this?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; No, there isn't; as aionus pointed out, you need a reference f=
rame.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Unfortunately, it's not culturally neutral.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Yes it is. It's lack of neutrality is not cultural.<br>
<br>
</div>Unless, perhaps, someone can cite different existing cultures doing i=
t<br>
differently. But I don't think that's the case.<br></blockquote></div><br c=
lear=3D"all">You don't seem to understand what culturally neutral means. If=
 there is no culture that does a certain thing differently than the other c=
ultures, than us also doing it that way is /not/ culturally biased. In orde=
r for it to be biased, it has to be something one (subset) of the various c=
ultures do in this way. <br></blockquote><div>I understand. Let's wait unti=
l such culture is discovered. But I doubt whether there are languages that =
have separate words for "clockwise" that are not derived from metaphors.</d=
iv><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa b=
u .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your fa=
ther. :D )<br><br>
</blockquote>

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