Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:46701) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T0pVF-0006vm-Ro; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:56:06 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf4523213ghb.16 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=yNMbilGjmO/ReBL5qdGkCD2fTZc00Zu3bEfFGCkL8nc=; b=r4CFSGJdnEODM3ymfWu/YG8Mi2PDWhz63vOl9NmnkkJ6zb1eZ5vp+oFhPEXLGwj4Fj 4gTaRuJW5hHoV4ysuhYZ76U237bSEq9TyhDxQA04mSca0cTUSrjs+1UqeiGESqp2QSxq 8EXGnZ8pxRG7Ugk0O2Ib2/uwqSjWAUiFsbSIg= Received: by 10.52.99.8 with SMTP id em8mr979925vdb.16.1344844550883; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.230.4 with SMTP id jk4ls4320977vcb.4.gmail; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.37.8 with SMTP id u8mr970542vdj.18.1344844550205; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <63ffa7e7-c2cc-4b3b-b697-5184524be1af@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Sounding of the {ROTATE} gismu (was Direction of Rotation) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49_20736535.1344844549632" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_49_20736535.1344844549632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So Robin made his decision about the place structure. Now let's find some sounding for it? How do major (and minor!) languages express this "clockwise" concept? I can't find anything special.=20 1. "clock" metaphor. 2. Earth rotation 3. Screws So=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise Typical nuts, screws, bolts, and bottle caps are tightened (moved away from= =20 the observer) clockwise and loosened (moved towards the observer)=20 counterclockwise, in accordance with the right-hand rule. In English screw, nut, bolt In Russian =D0=B2=D0=B8=D0=BD=D1=82, =D0=B3=D0=B0=D0=B9=D0=BA=D0=B0, =D0=B1= =D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=82 [vint, gaika, bolt] In Chinese =E8=9E=BA=E4=B8=9D=EF=BC=8C=E8=9E=BA=E6=AF=8D=EF=BC=8C=E8=9E=BA= =E6=A0=93 [Lu=C3=B3s=C4=AB, lu=C3=B3m=C7=94, lu=C3=B3shu=C4=81n] In Spanish tornillo, tuerca, perno In Arabic =D8=A7=D9=84=D9=85=D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D8=B1=D8=8C =D9=88=D8=A7=D9= =84=D8=AC=D9=88=D8=B2=D8=8C =D9=88=D8=A7=D9=84=D8=AA=D8=B1=D8=A8=D8=A7=D8= =B3 And I suggest {bolto} =3D BOLT + LuO + TOrnillo It's not my final decision, though. * my instinct is to object, but I don't think I have any actual= =20 good reasons, so: sure, that looks fine. :)* * (that is: using "screw" to mean "rotation" seems odd to me, but= =20 I understand your arguments)* Another option is the Earth. Which is even romantic. But why should we=20 stick to the North? Just because we are living in the north hemisphere?=20 What australian jbopre would say? So these are my thoughts. .a'o you find other solutions. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/qEGXpC6ovr4J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_49_20736535.1344844549632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So Robin made his decision about the place structure.
Now let's find so= me sounding for it?

How do major (and minor!) lang= uages express this "clockwise" concept?

I can't fi= nd anything special. 
1. "clock" metaphor.
2. Eart= h rotation
3. Screws

So 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise
Typical nuts, s= crews, bolts, and bottle caps are tightened (moved away from the observer) = clockwise and loosened (moved towards the observer) counterclockwise, in ac= cordance with the right-hand rule.
In Eng= lish screw, nut, bolt
In Russian =D0=B2=D0=B8=D0=BD=D1=82, = =D0=B3=D0=B0=D0=B9=D0=BA=D0=B0, =D0=B1=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=82 [vint, gaika, bolt= ]
In Chinese =E8=9E=BA=E4=B8=9D=EF=BC=8C=E8=9E=BA=E6=AF=8D=EF= =BC=8C=E8=9E=BA=E6=A0=93 [Lu=C3=B3s=C4=AB, lu=C3=B3m=C7=94, lu=C3=B3shu=C4= =81n]
In Spanish  tornillo, tuerca, perno
In Arabi= c =D8=A7=D9=84=D9=85=D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D8=B1=D8=8C =D9=88=D8=A7=D9=84=D8=AC= =D9=88=D8=B2=D8=8C =D9=88=D8=A7=D9=84=D8=AA=D8=B1=D8=A8=D8=A7=D8=B3
And I suggest
{bolto} =3D BOLT + LuO + TOrnillo
It's= not my final decision, though.
<rlpowell> my inst= inct is to object, but I don't think I have any actual good reasons, so: su= re, that looks fine. :)
<rlpowell> (that = is: using "screw" to mean "rotation" seems odd to me, but I understand your= arguments)

Another op= tion is the Earth. Which is even romantic. But why should we stick to the N= orth? Just because we are living in the north hemisphere? What australian j= bopre would say?

So these are my thoughts.
.a'o you find other solutions.

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