On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Gleki A= rxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
So Robin made his decision about the place structure.

Now let's fin= d some sounding for it?

How do major (and minor!) = languages express this "clockwise" concept?

I can't find anything special.=C2=A0

1. "clock"= ; metaphor.

2. Earth rotation

3. Screws

<= /div>

So=C2=A0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise

=
Typical nuts, screws, bolts, and bottle caps are tightened (moved away= from the observer) clockwise and loosened (moved towards the observer) cou= nterclockwise, in accordance with the right-hand rule.

In English screw, nut, bolt

In R= ussian =D0=B2=D0=B8=D0=BD=D1=82, =D0=B3=D0=B0=D0=B9=D0=BA=D0=B0, =D0=B1=D0= =BE=D0=BB=D1=82 [vint, gaika, bolt]

In Chinese =E8=9E=BA=E4= =B8=9D=EF=BC=8C=E8=9E=BA=E6=AF=8D=EF=BC=8C=E8=9E=BA=E6=A0=93 [Lu=C3=B3s=C4= =AB, lu=C3=B3m=C7=94, lu=C3=B3shu=C4=81n]

In Spanish =C2=A0tornil= lo, tuerca, perno

In Arabic =D8=A7=D9=84=D9=85=D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D8=B1=D8=8C =D9=88=D8= =A7=D9=84=D8=AC=D9=88=D8=B2=D8=8C =D9=88=D8=A7=D9=84=D8=AA=D8=B1=D8=A8=D8= =A7=D8=B3

And I suggest

{bolto} =3D BOLT + LuO + TOrnil= lo

It's not my final decision, though.

<rlpowell> my instinct is to object, but I don't thi= nk I have any actual good reasons, so: sure, that looks fine. :)

<= /div>

<rlpowell> (that is: using "screw" to mea= n "rotation" seems odd to me, but I understand your arguments)

Another option is the Earth. Wh= ich is even romantic. But why should we stick to the North? Just because we= are living in the north hemisphere? What australian jbopre would say?

So these are my thoughts.

.a'o you = find other solutions.

As far as the word to = use, {bolto} seems fine to me. Heck, we could use more ends-in-o words in L= ojban, anyway.

More pertinent to me is the actual place structure, definition, of the = word. My opinion is that we definitely need a place for identification of t= he 'top', and there may be occasions where there is a need to speci= fy the rotational axis, but I expect most often not, one of the two directi= ons should be the keyword itself- I don't care which one- with the othe= r being {to'e bolto}, and I don't think the word needs anything els= e.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko c= mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the = Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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