Sorry, I've changed my mind.<= /div>

Specifying "clockwise" with a metaphor o= f the Sun that is moving on the sky is adequate in the northern hemisphere = only. Yes, it's not fair.

But why not directly refer to what hemisphere we are in ?!!

1. In the Northern hemisphere the Sun and the stars m= ove clockwise east to south to west. Therefore, it can be called the Southe= rn Rotating Sky.

2. In the Southern hemisphere the situation is the opposite.

Now about sounding.
I'll do something which <= b>won't follow the algorithm of creating gismu. You must understand= me. I'm creating a new complex concept. I want something common= for at least one nation, Chinese nation. English and Spanish words = are too long. And I don't want to average sounds of 6 languages because= it's me who suggests this concept. And it would be stupid to averag= e something that is absent in those languages.

So in Mandarin
nan2 - south
ri4 - t= he Sun (some may argue that it's actually pronounced as [zhi] but as in= lojban it's {solri} I'll retain it as [r])
zhuan4 - = to revolve [pronounced actually as {djuan} in lojban notation]

i.e we have "nan-ri-juan"

whi= ch (no surprise) results in {nanju}.
For southern hemisphere we h= ave Northern Rotating Sky and counterclockwise movement.
bei3 - n= orth=C2=A0

"bei-ri-juan"=C2=A0results in {berju/berja}. ({berju} = is better as it ends in the same letters as {nanju}).

Therefore, I suggest using {nanju} for clockwise.
{berju}= should be saved as a reserved word for future generations (who knows what = they'll say? We must reserve some space for them). Until then for count= erclockwise we can use modifications of {nanju}.

Is it neutral? Yes. Lojban was created on the Earth. Therefore solar m= etaphor is nevertheless a global metaphor for the whole planet. On other pl= anets sapient creatures may not even be able to pronounce our phonemes so t= hey'll create lojban clone with different sounding. No conflict here.

Objections to my proposal in general?

1: Basing the word for rotational motion on the apparent path of = objects in the sky is even more of a giant leap than basing it on the actio= n of tightening/loosening a screw. TOO big a leap.

2: We DON'T need two words. There are exactly two direction of rota= tional motion- [direction] and to'e[direction].
=C2=A0

More pertinent to me is the actual place structure, definition, of the word= . My opinion is that we definitely need a place for identification of the &= #39;top', and there may be occasions where there is a need to specify t= he rotational axis, but I expect most often not, one of the two directions = should be the keyword itself- I don't care which one- with the other be= ing {to'e bolto}, and I don't think the word needs anything else.

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