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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, August 13, 2012 5:07:41 AM UTC-5, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>>
>> See Gismu issues changelog in lojban.org wiki.
>
> You mean here<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gismu+Issues#Uncategorized_Other_Issues>?
> He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for "turning" and one
> for "rotating", which I advocate. You seem to be discussing the use of two
> different words for "rotating", which I don't. Later, in your latest email,
> you seem to mention saving the second word for now, which is a good idea.
>
> In general, I don't care what gismu is chosen, as long as one is. However,
> I'm still afraid you've defined the wrong word. That is, we need *counter*clockwise,
> as these two definitions are equivalent:
>
>> x1 is spinning about axis x2 such that if your right hand's fingers are
>> curling in the direction of rotation, your thumb would be pointing in
>> direction x3 (along the x2 axis).
>
> from the BPFK page, and
>
>> x1 is spinning counter-clockwise about axis x2 seen from side/perspective
>> x3.
>
>
> Also, if we're actually making a new word, I'd like to mention something.
> I generally find the axis usage clunky and rarely necessary, as it is often
> easier to give a more specific direction than an axis, in English or Lojban
> alike. Thus, the axis spot is mainly useful wrapped in {lo SE broda ku}.
> Shouldn't the x3 spot be the axis, then?
>
> mu'o mi'e djos
>

doi.djos., what's your opinion of this definition, then?

x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3

For the actual word itself, since it seems to me that Gleki's going way off
on the wrong track, here's my contribution:

(I got these words from Google translate, so don't yell at me if any are
wrong.)
Chinese: lunliu
Hindi: gumai
English: rotait
Spanish: xirar
Russian: vraciat
Arabic: tonauibu

I asked Broca to run the algorithm on the above, and we got this:
(2.2040000000000002, 'gutni', [3.0, 3.0, 2.0, 0.0, 0.0, 3.0])
(2.0789999999999997, 'ramli', [2.0, 2.0, 3.0, 2.0, 3.0, 0.0])
(2.0339999999999998, 'ralni', [3.0, 0.0, 3.0, 2.0, 3.0, 0.0])
(2.0339999999999998, 'ranli', [3.0, 0.0, 3.0, 2.0, 3.0, 0.0])
(1.9769999999999999, 'glani', [3.0, 3.0, 0.0, 0.0, 2.0, 2.0])

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM, djandus <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jandew@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jandew=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>On Monday, August 13, 2012 5:07:41 AM UTC-5, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">See Gismu issues changelog in <a href=
=3D"http://lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojban.org</a> wiki.</blockquote>

</div><div>You mean=A0<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A=
+gismu+Issues#Uncategorized_Other_Issues" target=3D"_blank">here</a>? He se=
ems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for &quot;turning&quot; an=
d one for &quot;rotating&quot;, which I advocate. You seem to be discussing=
 the use of two different words for &quot;rotating&quot;, which I don&#39;t=
. Later, in your latest email, you seem to mention saving the second word f=
or now, which is a good idea.</div>

<div><br></div><div>In general, I don&#39;t care what gismu is chosen, as l=
ong as one is. However, I&#39;m still afraid you&#39;ve defined the wrong w=
ord. That is, we need <i>counter</i>clockwise, as these two definitions are=
 equivalent:</div>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">x1 is spinning about axis x2 such that if your right hand&=
#39;s fingers are curling in the direction of rotation, your thumb would be=
 pointing in direction x3 (along the x2 axis).</blockquote>

<div>from the BPFK page, and</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">x1 is spinning counter=
-clockwise about axis x2 seen from side/perspective x3.</blockquote>

<div><br></div><div>Also, if we&#39;re actually making a new word, I&#39;d =
like to mention something. I generally find the axis usage clunky and rarel=
y necessary, as it is often easier to give a more specific direction than a=
n axis, in English or Lojban alike. Thus, the axis spot is mainly useful wr=
apped in {lo SE broda ku}. Shouldn&#39;t the x3 spot be the axis, then?</di=
v>

<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e djos<br clear=3D"all"></div></blockqu=
ote></div><br>doi.djos., what&#39;s your opinion of this definition, then?<=
br><br>x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about ro=
tational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3<br>

<br>For the actual word itself, since it seems to me that Gleki&#39;s going=
 way off on the wrong track, here&#39;s my contribution:<br><br>(I got thes=
e words from Google translate, so don&#39;t yell at me if any are wrong.)<b=
r>

Chinese: lunliu<br>
Hindi: gumai<br>English: rotait<br>Spanish: xirar<br>Russian: vraciat<br>
Arabic: tonauibu<br><br>I asked Broca to run the algorithm on the above, an=
d we got this:<br>(2.2040000000000002, &#39;gutni&#39;, [3.0, 3.0, 2.0, 0.0=
, 0.0, 3.0])<br>(2.0789999999999997, &#39;ramli&#39;, [2.0, 2.0, 3.0, 2.0, =
3.0, 0.0])<br>
(2.0339999999999998, &#39;ralni&#39;, [3.0, 0.0, 3.0, 2.0, 3.0, 0.0])<br>(2=
.0339999999999998, &#39;ranli&#39;, [3.0, 0.0, 3.0, 2.0, 3.0, 0.0])<br>(1.9=
769999999999999, &#39;glani&#39;, [3.0, 3.0, 0.0, 0.0, 2.0, 2.0])<br><br>
-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be=
 denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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