Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:39551) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T12yz-00084r-Vu; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:40 -0700 Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49sf1717385eek.16 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RX2PgDNyxSaO3QlPSJMJpePjjFG/mNE+8jo5c21fymo=; b=Te2BqV+xvZts8aeEDMSTTlYq2/gacJv5u7bjY0Mzpg5XdmP9g9D3H3NRHwERSRTa+W 5sytfvm5NEVdPdLEnih7Bjf5t0WvuKbefxZf0F/fK4SuxbiRczz/fU4+NgaupfZGb93E phia5UImghRstfN8KJ9B1e8Jombm9148jIMgA= Received: by 10.180.105.163 with SMTP id gn3mr690558wib.0.1344896365823; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.209.68 with SMTP id r44ls1677706eeo.6.gmail; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.194.132 with SMTP id m4mr10815688een.0.1344896364948; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.194.132 with SMTP id m4mr10815687een.0.1344896364938; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f174.google.com (mail-ey0-f174.google.com [209.85.215.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46si904734eed.1.2012.08.13.15.19.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.174; Received: by eaac11 with SMTP id c11so1115031eaa.33 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.204.72 with SMTP id g48mr16153199eeo.45.1344896364699; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.95.78 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <507e95b0-777a-4ae9-b623-6b93470b8ff6@googlegroups.com> References: <63ffa7e7-c2cc-4b3b-b697-5184524be1af@googlegroups.com> <507e95b0-777a-4ae9-b623-6b93470b8ff6@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:19:24 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Sounding of the {ROTATE} gismu (was Direction of Rotation) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, djandus wrote: > He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for > "turning" and one for "rotating", which I advocate. Could someone explain why the same word can't be used for both? The main difference seems to be that "turn" usually doesn't require a full revolution, while "rotate" usually requires many revolutions. but can't that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a word for "revolution" ("carlai"?) then we can specify the fraction or number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also "turn" is often volitional, while "rotate" isn't. Is that part of the proposed difference? "zulcarna" and "pritycarna" have been used before for laevorotation and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate? I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 and 2000): http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.html http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4728 mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.