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Attention please!
I was trying to create a word for "clockwise"/"counterclockwise".
solar metaphor is good because this is what ancient people used.
It's global and universal for the whole planet.

As for "turn to the left/right" I didn't do any work.

As yesterday Robin said that "rotate in general" without specifying 
clockwise or counterclockwise was also a concept then we needed.

So for now I'm not proposing any new gismu.
{bolto,nanju,berju} are obsolete.

Let's get back to discussing places once again.

May be we can revise my suggestion of {carna fi lo pritu/zunle} with 
modified x2 once again?
On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:19:24 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, djandus <jan...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for 
> > "turning" and one for "rotating", which I advocate. 
>
> Could someone explain why the same word can't be used for both? The 
> main difference seems to be that "turn" usually doesn't require a full 
> revolution, while "rotate" usually requires many revolutions. but 
> can't that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a 
> word for "revolution" ("carlai"?) then we can specify the fraction or 
> number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also "turn" is 
> often volitional, while "rotate" isn't. Is that part of the proposed 
> difference? 
>
> "zulcarna" and "pritycarna" have been used before for laevorotation 
> and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate? 
>
> I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 and 
> 2000): 
>
> http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.html 
>
> http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4728 
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>

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Attention please!<div>I was trying to create a word for "clockwise"/"counte=
rclockwise".</div><div>solar metaphor is good because this is what ancient =
people used.</div><div>It's global and universal for the whole planet.</div=
><div><br></div><div>As for "turn to the left/right" I didn't do any work.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>As yesterday Robin said that "rotate in general" w=
ithout specifying clockwise or counterclockwise was also a concept then we =
needed.</div><div><br></div><div>So for now I'm not proposing any new gismu=
.</div><div>{bolto,nanju,berju} are obsolete.</div><div><br></div><div>Let'=
s get back to discussing places once again.</div><div><br></div><div>May be=
 we can revise my suggestion of {carna fi lo pritu/zunle} with modified x2 =
once again?<br>On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:19:24 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord=
er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM=
, djandus &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mail=
to=3D"c5m2bHSrymAJ">jan...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for
<br>&gt; "turning" and one for "rotating", which I advocate.
<br>
<br>Could someone explain why the same word can't be used for both? The
<br>main difference seems to be that "turn" usually doesn't require a full
<br>revolution, while "rotate" usually requires many revolutions. but
<br>can't that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a
<br>word for "revolution" ("carlai"?) then we can specify the fraction or
<br>number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also "turn" is
<br>often volitional, while "rotate" isn't. Is that part of the proposed
<br>difference?
<br>
<br>"zulcarna" and "pritycarna" have been used before for laevorotation
<br>and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate?
<br>
<br>I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 a=
nd 2000):
<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://balance.wiw.org/~<wbr>jkominek/lojban/9509/msg0011=
6.<wbr>html</a>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4728" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.<wbr>com/group/lojban/messag=
e/4728</a>
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote></div>

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