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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> Attention please!
> I was trying to create a word for "clockwise"/"counterclockwise".
> solar metaphor is good because this is what ancient people used.
> It's global and universal for the whole planet.
>

How is this metaphor adequate? The sun always rises in the east, but how do
you distinguish north from south?

stevo



>
> As for "turn to the left/right" I didn't do any work.
>
> As yesterday Robin said that "rotate in general" without specifying
> clockwise or counterclockwise was also a concept then we needed.
>
> So for now I'm not proposing any new gismu.
> {bolto,nanju,berju} are obsolete.
>
> Let's get back to discussing places once again.
>
> May be we can revise my suggestion of {carna fi lo pritu/zunle} with
> modified x2 once again?
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:19:24 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, djandus <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for
>> > "turning" and one for "rotating", which I advocate.
>>
>> Could someone explain why the same word can't be used for both? The
>> main difference seems to be that "turn" usually doesn't require a full
>> revolution, while "rotate" usually requires many revolutions. but
>> can't that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a
>> word for "revolution" ("carlai"?) then we can specify the fraction or
>> number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also "turn" is
>> often volitional, while "rotate" isn't. Is that part of the proposed
>> difference?
>>
>> "zulcarna" and "pritycarna" have been used before for laevorotation
>> and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate?
>>
>> I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 and
>> 2000):
>>
>> http://balance.wiw.org/~**jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.**html<http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.html>
>>
>> http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.**com/group/lojban/message/4728<http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4728>
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Gleki A=
rxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Attention please!<div>I was trying to create a word for &quot;clockwise&quo=
t;/&quot;counterclockwise&quot;.</div><div>solar metaphor is good because t=
his is what ancient people used.</div><div>It&#39;s global and universal fo=
r the whole planet.</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>How is this metaphor adequate? The sun alw=
ays rises in the east, but how do you distinguish north from south?=A0</div=
><div><br></div><div>stevo</div><div><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">

<div><br></div><div>As for &quot;turn to the left/right&quot; I didn&#39;t =
do any work.</div><div><br></div><div>As yesterday Robin said that &quot;ro=
tate in general&quot; without specifying clockwise or counterclockwise was =
also a concept then we needed.</div>

<div><br></div><div>So for now I&#39;m not proposing any new gismu.</div><d=
iv>{bolto,nanju,berju} are obsolete.</div><div><br></div><div>Let&#39;s get=
 back to discussing places once again.</div><div><br></div><div>May be we c=
an revise my suggestion of {carna fi lo pritu/zunle} with modified x2 once =
again?<br>

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:19:24 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, djandus &lt;<a>jan=
...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for
<br>&gt; &quot;turning&quot; and one for &quot;rotating&quot;, which I advo=
cate.
<br>
<br>Could someone explain why the same word can&#39;t be used for both? The
<br>main difference seems to be that &quot;turn&quot; usually doesn&#39;t r=
equire a full
<br>revolution, while &quot;rotate&quot; usually requires many revolutions.=
 but
<br>can&#39;t that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a
<br>word for &quot;revolution&quot; (&quot;carlai&quot;?) then we can speci=
fy the fraction or
<br>number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also &quot;turn&qu=
ot; is
<br>often volitional, while &quot;rotate&quot; isn&#39;t. Is that part of t=
he proposed
<br>difference?
<br>
<br>&quot;zulcarna&quot; and &quot;pritycarna&quot; have been used before f=
or laevorotation
<br>and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate?
<br>
<br>I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 a=
nd 2000):
<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://balance.wiw.org/~<u></u>jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00=
116.<u></u>html</a>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4728" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.<u></u>com/group/lojban/mess=
age/4728</a>
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes
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