Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:50479) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T19mG-0003fr-2H; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:35:04 -0700 Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11sf3698yen.16 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:34:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9uiszKwRFGh7v1urUMDdV3/J+Ej5F8bOnWziayH1OEs=; b=bOv9DJrKSamJVBIubSg/MR10+eJw087IwhONmmKV4JfnuIuo8/a5xUWM+2mQurfFIJ dEJ92yyOaIt73r9ZR7riC5Rz4kRLDfltc52CDnBlFPoMCevVfE2ysCDHRIDxhmswii8K P0lCYHC9Jc/ctv340Q3EuVW8qZvMtURumuG6w= Received: by 10.236.192.164 with SMTP id i24mr2492672yhn.14.1344922484780; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.120.244 with SMTP id p80ls151810yhh.0.gmail; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.154.194 with SMTP id h42mr2508704yhk.8.1344922484110; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: djandus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <63ffa7e7-c2cc-4b3b-b697-5184524be1af@googlegroups.com> <507e95b0-777a-4ae9-b623-6b93470b8ff6@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Sounding of the {ROTATE} gismu (was Direction of Rotation) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_373_31381783.1344922482037" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_373_31381783.1344922482037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'd also toss about the idea of using {barcarna} fa'u {nercarna} for > "revolve" fa'u "rotate". > Holy *CRAP*, I should never let my math brain take over at midnight. My physics brain just kicked me and reminded me that the semantic difference between rotation and revolution is whether the particles of the object are being treated in a set or a mass, put psuedo-lojbanically. That is, a moon "revolves around a planet" because it orbits the planet as one object, irrespective of the individual particles' motion. (The "set" in this case has a "center of mass" property, I guess.) All moons "rotate about an internal axis" because the individual particles are rotating about the moon's axis. The Earth's moon also happens to "rotate about the Earth" as the same side always faces Earth. However, {nercarna} still makes sense as a rotation/turn, as the internals are doing the rotating. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/khR4qnnueA4J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_373_31381783.1344922482037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd also toss about the i= dea of using {barcarna} fa'u {nercarna} for "revolve" fa'u "rotate".
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Holy CRAP, I should never let my math brain take ov= er at midnight. My physics brain just kicked me and reminded me that the se= mantic difference between rotation and revolution is whether the particles = of the object are being treated in a set or a mass, put psuedo-lojbanically= . That is, a moon "revolves around a planet" because it orbits the planet a= s one object, irrespective of the individual particles' motion. (The "set" = in this case has a "center of mass" property, I guess.) All moons "rotate a= bout an internal axis" because the individual particles are rotating about = the moon's axis. The Earth's moon also happens to "rotate about the Earth" = as the same side always faces Earth.

However, {ner= carna} still makes sense as a rotation/turn, as the internals are doing the= rotating.

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