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On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:40:50 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna 
> <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > 
> > I wanted to express the meaning "I intended to..." 
> > But Robin said that {zu'edji} is fine for expressing "intention". 
>
> I think there are two important differences between wanting to do 
> something and intending to do it. In order to intend to do something, 
> you have to believe that you can do it, whereas you could wish to do 
> it even knowing that you can't. The other difference is that you may 
> intend to do something that you don't really want to do, but for some 
> reason you feel that you must. So what you want to do is something 
> desirable for you, whereas what you intend to do need not be 
> desirable. 
>
How would you express the second meaning of  "what you intend to do need 
not be desirable. "?

>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes 
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:40:50 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<br>&lt;<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="1_g3j9pwRmMJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I wanted to express the meaning "I intended to..."
<br>&gt; But Robin said that {zu'edji} is fine for expressing "intention".
<br>
<br>I think there are two important differences between wanting to do
<br>something and intending to do it. In order to intend to do something,
<br>you have to believe that you can do it, whereas you could wish to do
<br>it even knowing that you can't. The other difference is that you may
<br>intend to do something that you don't really want to do, but for some
<br>reason you feel that you must. So what you want to do is something
<br>desirable for you, whereas what you intend to do need not be
<br>desirable.
<br></blockquote><div>How would you express the second meaning of &nbsp;"what you intend to do need not be&nbsp;desirable.&nbsp;"?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes
<br></blockquote>

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