On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Gleki A= rxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:29:33 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gl= eki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
Attention please!
I was trying to create a word for "clockwise&quo= t;/"counterclockwise".
solar metaphor is good be= cause this is what ancient people used.
It's global and unive= rsal for the whole planet.

How is this metaphor adequate? The sun alw= ays rises in the east, but how do you distinguish north from south?=A0

In northern hemisphere the Sun goes east-sou= th-west.

In southern hemisphere the Sun goes west-north-east.=A0

We h= ave gismu for north and south, by the way.

In both hemispheres the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. O= nly the north/south is different.=A0

You totally ignored the question. How do you distinguish north from so= uth? I know which is which by convention, but that doesn't help to dist= inguish them in a mirror.=A0

stevo =A0

stevo

=A0

As for "turn to the left/right" I didn't = do any work.

As yesterday Robin said that "ro= tate in general" without specifying clockwise or counterclockwise was = also a concept then we needed.

So for now I'm not proposing any new gismu.
{bolto,nanju,berju} are obsolete.

Let's get= back to discussing places once again.

May be we c= an revise my suggestion of {carna fi lo pritu/zunle} with modified x2 once = again?
On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:19:24 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, djandus <jan= ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for
> "turning" and one for "rotating", which I advo= cate.

Could someone explain why the same word can't be used for both? The
main difference seems to be that "turn" usually doesn't r= equire a full
revolution, while "rotate" usually requires many revolutions.= but
can't that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a
word for "revolution" ("carlai"?) then we can speci= fy the fraction or
number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also "turn&qu= ot; is
often volitional, while "rotate" isn't. Is that part of t= he proposed
difference?

"zulcarna" and "pritycarna" have been used before f= or laevorotation
and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate?

I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 a= nd 2000):

http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/950= 9/msg00116.html

http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojb= an/message/4728

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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