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Escape Landsome, On 30/07/2012 10:05:
>> Despite your remark, Linguistics still seems to live pretty much in the
>> '70s.  The details of theories have been worked through more thoroughly,=
 the
>> relative prominence of different approaches have shifted (without any be=
ing
>> obliterated -- Social Science are hard to tell from Philosophy sometimes=
)
>> and the mechanical implementation of techniques has vastly improved.  Bu=
t
>> there are still just item-and-process and item-and-arrangement vying wit=
h
>> one another.
>
> There are still some theoretical linguist who cling to TG and also
> old-fashioned folks who study for example old chinese or swahili,
> these use TG because that's what they were taught when students, and
> there is a lot of inertia in people minds.

This is not remotely an accurate picture of contemporary linguistics. No wo=
rk in 70s-era TG is published nowadays. Much work in contemporary TG (Minim=
alism) is published.

It's of no relevance for Lojban, tho.
 =20
> But today searchers in the field of Language Automated Treatment, that
> is : the guys who try to make computers speak, analyse texts, resume
> texts, comment on texts, and simulate human or natlang dialogues...
> all of these now currently use Unification Grammars.
>
> UG are :
>
> -- Bresnan's Lexical Functional Grammar LFG
>
> -- HPSG
>
> -- GPSG
>
> -- and also Tree-Adjoining Grammar, TAG
>
> These UG are as much chomskyan as Laplace physics are newtonian.
> There is really an epistemologic cut between them.

 From the perspective of a pure linguistician (such as me) rather than a co=
mputational linguist, Minimalism does not look vastly different from LFG & =
HPSG/GPSG. They're all phrase-structure grammars. They all purport to offer=
 an overarching theory of the structure of language. I don't see any great =
epistemological divide.

--And.

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