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On Tuesday 14 August 2012 12:30:49 MorphemeAddict wrote:
> Like French "dessous" ('underneath') vs. "dessus" ('over'). The only
> difference is [u] vs. [y]. Apparently the French have no problem with it
> (or do they?), but it seems like a big problem to me.

Doesn't seem like a big problem to me, though I once made a tonguetwister o=
ut=20
of similar words: "La roue sur la rue roule; la rue sous la rue reste." I=
=20
know several semantically similar minimal pairs in natlangs:
hu: tizenegyedik (eleventh)/tizennegyedik (fourteenth). This requires both=
=20
using the ordinal (four is n=C3=A9gy, with a long vowel) and adding a multi=
ple of=20
ten to get the double n (and first is els=C5=91).
es: sesenta (sixty)/setenta (seventy). This does cause me problems.
fr: il (he)/elle (she)
pt: ele (he)/ela (she)
en: he/she. Unlike the preceding two pairs, these are unrelated.
Tz'utujil: ka'- (two)/kaj- (four) and waq- (six)/wuq- (seven). The root for=
=20
eight is waqxaq, which may lead to further confusion.
I don't know of semantically similar quints in natlangs.

Pierre
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