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As in theology v science, There is here the middle ground of guided evoluti=
on, letting usage decide but forcing some usage (and suppressing others).  =
At the moment, the logically interesting items under consideration are so s=
cattered in so many poorly (mis)understood categories that it is unclear wh=
at would be the proper place for most.

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On Aug 14, 2012, at 1:34 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gleki Arxokuna, On 14/08/2012 18:23:
>> I wish Robin started using {mu'ei} again but
>> it's really when usage decides. May be human brain just doesn't want
>> to deal with A-level at such level of precision. May be {ka'e/na
>> ka'e/ka'ei/bia'i} or even {bi'ai} is enough.
>=20
> The evidence of natural language is to the contrary. The could/probably/w=
ould contrast is the some/most/all contrast.
>=20
>> The use of {da'i} is interesting. For a logical language it's
>> completely deplorable, because there's a complete mismatch between
>> the lexicosyntactic form and the logical form, and no explicit rule
>> about how to get from one to the other -- it works by mere stipulated
>> magic. But it caught on among those impatient to be actively using
>> the language, and nicely illustrated the fundamental incompatibility
>> between a loglang and a language governed by the principle of "let
>> usage decide".
>>=20
>> May be we can determine the most common usage of {da'i} and redefine
>> it from the point of view of A/M/F-level scheme? May be we should
>> perform analysis of Lojban corpus and tatoeba sentences?
>=20
> {da'i} is in UI, isn't it? So it doesn't have the right grammatical prope=
rties.
>=20
> The purest ways to proceed would be either (1) to define things so that t=
hey're logical and regular, regardless of usage, i.e. basically just implem=
ent all xorxes's proposals, or (2) to treat the language as an inchoate nat=
lang, a la Lojbab, and abduce grammar out of usage as linguistics of natlan=
gs does.
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> --And.
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