Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:38247) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1O2C-00056w-SB; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:22 -0700 Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11sf888034yen.16 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=AHxbPKbBOAGr5+cCnmt15fPBoSdSBudioDXLcKoUiNc=; b=DCOzhYbGHCkriCT1kbHX0uHpG4/s00IWgEkTTCFF11WXzc13FsZ1M2W9fw37t87dpA ld3Rh6JGlL951Zs513Ifvx9zE0GgpIRlIkouNU9HVdflYuzatLefo/z2BE3MdkTOLvmQ yrsem3tJSVVNmP+OrJJKm75Z543KaiuOVRvjw= Received: by 10.68.232.230 with SMTP id tr6mr2253190pbc.16.1344977289970; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.210.197 with SMTP id mw5ls1731146pbc.7.gmail; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.83.74 with SMTP id o10mr2038878pay.33.1344977289105; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.83.74 with SMTP id o10mr2038877pay.33.1344977289094; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si1534557pby.0.2012.08.14.13.48.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1O23-00056r-RR for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:48:07 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation Message-ID: <20120814204807.GE22895@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <8ccd89cb-defa-4d40-a77f-e0029180fc5f@googlegroups.com> <26a88634-94ee-4912-a307-0e200d75e81e@googlegroups.com> <9d898abb-f2c8-4c66-aaf3-fbc0af353d78@googlegroups.com> <958b4c89-a5cf-4525-adcd-d295ecc9f9e4@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> > > Exactly. But Robin suggested making {carna} obsolete. > > Therefore, I'm suggesting a new gismu that would cover all those > > meanings including {ti carna}. > > > > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "turn", and > one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean one of the > two, and making a new word for the other. > > In other words, going from: > > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction x3. > > To: > carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3 > > gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about > rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3 > > This is what was discussed in the chat. Oh that's a *fantastic* solution to salvaging carna! I love it! I couldn't figure out a way to salvage it. Now, someone has to go through the uses of carna at http://www.lojban.org/corpus/ and see how many significantly disagree with that version. (and then ping me, because I'm mostly not reading this thread, sorry) -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.