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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:15 AM, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The difference is subtle, but more apparent in Lojban place structure. For
> "rotate," we want a place structure focusing on a continuing rotation, so we
> focus on the direction of rotation and axis. For "turn," we want a place
> structure focusing on a short rotation, so we focus on the initial and final
> "angular positions" -- which way the object is facing at the beginning and
> end.

The same is true for translational movement, isn't it? We could have a
word for continuous movement in some direction, and a different word
for movement from one place to another. It's interesting that we only
have the latter for translational movement and the former for
rotational movement.

> Robin's example was saying "I turn to face you." -- The only way I can
> think of to say that now is something like {mi vo'a cargau mu'i lo nu do mi
> crane}, which I guess isn't too terrible, now that I think about it.

I wouldn't bother with the vo'a -gau thing. Just because "carna"
doesn't require volition, it doesn't mean that it precludes it either.
How about "mi carna co'u ca'u do"?

> In
> fact, {cargau} seems really good for "opening a door" or "unscrewing a bolt"
> which I believe were other discussed problem sentences.

I prefer "kargau" for opening a door, but I find four uses of "cargau"
in the corpus, two of which seem to be mine:

le petit prince	
   ni'o ny cmila gi'e pencu lo skori gi'e cargau lo pulni .i lo pulni cu
IRC Logs	
02 Jun 2008 07:08:14 <dbrock> .i do klama ma doi .dimadjios. .i lo
ma'a gugde cu cargau lo ri sepli kanla fo do
la mu'e cuxna lo bradi	
   .ii lo danre cu cargau mi fo vy. gi'e co'a xrani .i vy. cusku lo fange
pa lo la .donkixotes. selfendi	
   bifymlo i le simsa be lo birka cu balre lo molki gi'e cargau lo molki

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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