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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > >>
> > > Exactly. But Robin suggested making {carna}  obsolete.
> > > Therefore, I'm suggesting a new gismu that would cover all those
> > > meanings including {ti carna}.
> > >
> >
> > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "turn", and
> > one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean one of the
> > two, and making a new word for the other.
> >
> > In other words, going from:
> >
> > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction x3.
> >
> > To:
> > carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
> >
> > gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 about
> > rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3
>

latro`a convinced me that we'd actually need two words, because {to'e
gutni} wouldn't be "rotate opposite-of-ccw', but "opposite of [rotate
ccw]", which doesn't make sense.


> > This is what was discussed in the chat.
>
> Oh that's a *fantastic* solution to salvaging carna!  I love it!  I
> couldn't figure out a way to salvage it.
>
> Now, someone has to go through the uses of carna at
> http://www.lojban.org/corpus/ and see how many significantly
> disagree with that version.
>

Um, NOT IT!


> (and then ping me, because I'm mostly not reading this thread,
> sorry)
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Robin Lee Powel=
l <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Exactly. But Robin suggested making {carna} =A0obsolete.<br>
&gt; &gt; Therefore, I&#39;m suggesting a new gismu that would cover all th=
ose<br>
&gt; &gt; meanings including {ti carna}.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for &quot;turn&quot;, =
and<br>
&gt; one for &quot;rotate&quot;. This would mean making carna mean one of t=
he<br>
&gt; two, and making a new word for the other.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; In other words, going from:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction x3.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; To:<br>
&gt; carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; gutni : x1 is rotating counter-clockwise viewed from orientation x2 ab=
out<br>
&gt; rotational axis/axes (set if multiple) x3<br></blockquote><div><br>lat=
ro`a convinced me that we&#39;d actually need two words, because {to&#39;e =
gutni} wouldn&#39;t be &quot;rotate opposite-of-ccw&#39;, but &quot;opposit=
e of [rotate ccw]&quot;, which doesn&#39;t make sense.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
&gt; This is what was discussed in the chat.<br>
<br>
Oh that&#39;s a *fantastic* solution to salvaging carna! =A0I love it! =A0I=
<br>
couldn&#39;t figure out a way to salvage it.<br>
<br>
Now, someone has to go through the uses of carna at<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/corpus/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojb=
an.org/corpus/</a> and see how many significantly<br>
disagree with that version.<br></blockquote><div><br>Um, NOT IT!<br>=A0</di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

(and then ping me, because I&#39;m mostly not reading this thread,<br>
sorry)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-Robin<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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