Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:33568) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1RtN-0006cw-GP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:31 -0700 Received: by lban1 with SMTP id n1sf322703lba.16 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8bphTSxN7WVUZjJ6j8D2n9MipaklwVWWCtIjLSYngZU=; b=Tz+qULszQV5h0wNhGNjWOjXxLCvdy4EQ5xrFg/iZ/AygKDzG7qtXOO35yZNDbMI7Wg 6kGdqwzOIBEo+yNnJKC6O++5DFgMYU68Tx6Y2dmW4zDPqEkcJ9SG+XbMQgzbZxdJLiSz j5Ht8RW9hXuBgLjvQlBM9KByk0hZfutFss814= Received: by 10.180.96.129 with SMTP id ds1mr1233351wib.2.1344992117290; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.209.206 with SMTP id s56ls1275592weo.1.gmail; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.239.205 with SMTP id c55mr1108942wer.12.1344992116459; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.239.205 with SMTP id c55mr1108941wer.12.1344992116445; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fb20si2900460wid.3.2012.08.14.17.55.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.48; Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so883211wgb.29 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.103.136 with SMTP id fw8mr32396658wib.20.1344992116245; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.77] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7sm25499340wiz.0.2012.08.14.17.55.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502AF36F.8040006@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:55:11 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ? References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 11/08/2012 01:36: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> Now, as to Escape's contention that such kind of phonemic ambiguity in w= ords >> of potentially disastrous confusion (i.e., opposite words in the same sc= ale) >> doesn't exist in natural languages, I WILL challenge that assertion. >> Really? Have you studied all the scales in all of the >> world's many thousands of languages? You impress me! I >> haven't found any yet, but I can't dismiss the possibility it exists in = a >> natlang... > > How about "can" vs "can't" in English? The difference between them can > be rather minimal. Sorry to xorxes; as I wade through vast email backlog I find xorxes had alr= eady made this observation before me. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.