Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:44269) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1Wp7-0008Jz-7G; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:30 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b23sf1261002vbz.16 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=M19VWHKoZh0QKAh/pWFk+mhDfUncaee5oVFm92eJp7g=; b=ZP6yT4/p50QUTd9jQdMVi5O4FVQJFgGnL7DlyIH3MzrbTH34FMRtt3aFKK2pS17Hv0 7uhR9jnwD4LTLqQrDin0+GO1L3oQEPXihmcKHCHt3fgd1gy1HCvb2nYczBwlrN0lPuIO ki/Gt5GxHoFuQ/0byRaf+v00d5uR3Xi9li4Ak= Received: by 10.68.233.5 with SMTP id ts5mr2318924pbc.20.1345011080007; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.195.39 with SMTP id ib7ls2315811pbc.9.gmail; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.82.195 with SMTP id k3mr2804499pay.23.1345011079377; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.82.195 with SMTP id k3mr2804498pay.23.1345011079356; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si301999pby.0.2012.08.14.23.11.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1Wp4-0008L2-B3 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:11:18 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation Message-ID: <20120815061118.GH22895@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <8ccd89cb-defa-4d40-a77f-e0029180fc5f@googlegroups.com> <26a88634-94ee-4912-a307-0e200d75e81e@googlegroups.com> <9d898abb-f2c8-4c66-aaf3-fbc0af353d78@googlegroups.com> <958b4c89-a5cf-4525-adcd-d295ecc9f9e4@googlegroups.com> <20120814204807.GE22895@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06:00PM -0400, Mike S. wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "turn", > > > and one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean one of > > > the two, and making a new word for the other. > > > > > > In other words, going from: > > > > > > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction > > > x3. > > > > > > To: carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3 > > > > > > > Nice, but I might suggest x1 turns _towards_ x2 from (facing) x3 > > The destination is usually more salient than the origin, cf. > klama, bevri, etc. Yes, of course, but we have to make old usage continue to work, is the problem. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.