Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:43272) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1WwV-0008Oq-AB; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:19:11 -0700 Received: by ggcs5 with SMTP id s5sf1273462ggc.16 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:18:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=F9rN0AE2Rp3wkZ6P/u0hyp2vJ5AlaJ5K3bk+lK3hHOA=; b=U097qAU4WmTcH+PN5/cgUHLPHVfYWv0NwfN5bCMEW47yCa7aGQVFy8JCJkVn4wkSYJ +4+lzLEGq4sYpuwRnTQhf9AOQEBRP6t/AmZbRFcnlbZSPCTtQc17vfLxpjPydmgvs/we 51Ka6XcTMYsG4qiMDW+wHG7VGBLiKdNzoTQZg= Received: by 10.236.186.34 with SMTP id v22mr3557812yhm.9.1345011532695; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:18:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.126.33 with SMTP id a21ls2695866yhi.3.gmail; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.201.134 with SMTP id b6mr3539961yho.15.1345011532067; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <26728cc7-f6b1-4cd9-86f3-78c72d23bdeb@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20120815061118.GH22895@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <8ccd89cb-defa-4d40-a77f-e0029180fc5f@googlegroups.com> <26a88634-94ee-4912-a307-0e200d75e81e@googlegroups.com> <9d898abb-f2c8-4c66-aaf3-fbc0af353d78@googlegroups.com> <958b4c89-a5cf-4525-adcd-d295ecc9f9e4@googlegroups.com> <20120814204807.GE22895@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120815061118.GH22895@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_101_20239124.1345011528911" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_101_20239124.1345011528911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:11:18 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06:00PM -0400, Mike S. wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "turn", > > > > and one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean one of > > > > the two, and making a new word for the other. > > > > > > > > In other words, going from: > > > > > > > > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction > > > > x3. > > > > > > > > To: carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3 > > > > > > > > > > > Nice, but I might suggest x1 turns _towards_ x2 from (facing) x3 > > > > The destination is usually more salient than the origin, cf. > > klama, bevri, etc. > > Yes, of course, but we have to make old usage continue to work, is > the problem. > {carna} definition has been translated to 5 languages: spanish, esperanto, hungarian, russian... Why not make {carna} obsolete and create one new new sweet-sounding gismu? > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/DtaY3pdg4uUJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_101_20239124.1345011528911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:11:18 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote= :
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06= :00PM -0400, Mike S. wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrot= e:
> > > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "tur= n",
> > > and one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean = one of
> > > the two, and making a new word for the other.
> > >
> > > In other words, going from:
> > >
> > > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in dire= ction
> > > x3.
> > >
> > > To: carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
> > >
> >
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> Nice, but I might suggest x1 turns _towards_ x2 from (facing) x3
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> The destination is usually more salient than the origin, cf.
> klama, bevri, etc.

Yes, of course, but we have to make old usage continue to work, is
the problem.
{carna} definition has been translated to 5 languages= : spanish, esperanto, hungarian, russian...
Why not make {carna} = obsolete and create one new new sweet-sounding gismu?

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-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn= i li'u

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