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On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:11:18 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06:00PM -0400, Mike S. wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
>> > rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > > > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "turn",
>> > > > and one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean one of
>> > > > the two, and making a new word for the other.
>> > > >
>> > > > In other words, going from:
>> > > >
>> > > > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in direction
>> > > > x3.
>> > > >
>> > > > To: carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Nice, but I might suggest x1 turns _towards_ x2 from (facing) x3
>> >
>> > The destination is usually more salient than the origin, cf.
>> > klama, bevri, etc.
>>
>> Yes, of course, but we have to make old usage continue to work, is
>> the problem.
>>
> {carna} definition has been translated to 5 languages: spanish, esperanto,
> hungarian, russian...
> Why not make {carna} obsolete and create one* new new sweet-sounding gismu?
>

*two (or three)

The point is to divide the meaning of carna into the previously stated
"turn" and "rotate" senses, and possibly to divide "rotate" into cw and ccw
directions. So, if we made carna "obsolete", we'd need more than just one
new gismu.


>
>
>> -Robin
>>
>> --
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>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
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>> li'u
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, la gleki <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:11:18 AM UTC+4, Robin Po=
well wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin=
-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">=
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:06:00PM -0400, Mike S. wrote:
<br>&gt; On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell &lt;
<br></div><div class=3D"im">&gt; <a>rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt; wrot=
e:
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; &gt; On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrot=
e:
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for &quo=
t;turn&quot;,
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; and one for &quot;rotate&quot;. This would mean making c=
arna mean one of
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; the two, and making a new word for the other.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; In other words, going from:
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in dire=
ction
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; x3.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; Nice, but I might suggest x1 turns _towards_ x2 from (facing) x3
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; The destination is usually more salient than the origin, cf.
<br>&gt; klama, bevri, etc.
<br>
<br>Yes, of course, but we have to make old usage continue to work, is
<br>the problem.
<br></div></blockquote><div>{carna} definition has been translated to 5 lan=
guages: spanish, esperanto, hungarian, russian...</div><div>Why not make {c=
arna} obsolete and create one* new new sweet-sounding gismu?</div></blockqu=
ote>
<div><br>*two (or three)<br><br>The point is to divide the meaning of carna=
 into the previously stated &quot;turn&quot; and &quot;rotate&quot; senses,=
 and possibly to divide &quot;rotate&quot; into cw and ccw directions. So, =
if we made carna &quot;obsolete&quot;, we&#39;d need more than just one new=
 gismu.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>-Robin
<br>
<br>--=20
<br><a href=3D"http://singinst.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://singinst.org/=
</a> : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
<br>.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go&#39;i li&#3=
9;u .e
<br>lu go&#39;i li&#39;u .i ji&#39;a go&#39;i lu na&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u=
 .e lu go&#39;i na&#39;i li&#39;u .e
<br>lu no&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu to&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu lo=
 mamta be do cu sofybakni li&#39;u
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