On Wed, = Aug 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@= gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:11:18 AM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11= :06:00PM -0400, Mike S. wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 01:03:11AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrot= e:
> > > No, Robin suggested making Lojban have one word for "tur= n",
> > > and one for "rotate". This would mean making carna mean = one of
> > > the two, and making a new word for the other.
> > >
> > > In other words, going from:
> > >
> > > carna : x1 turns/rotates/revolves around axis x2 in dire= ction
> > > x3.
> > >
> > > To: carna : x1 turns from x2 to x3
> > >
> >
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> Nice, but I might suggest x1 turns _towards_ x2 from (facing) x3
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> The destination is usually more salient than the origin, cf.
> klama, bevri, etc.

Yes, of course, but we have to make old usage continue to work, is
the problem.
{carna} definition has been translated to 5 lan= guages: spanish, esperanto, hungarian, russian...
Why not make {c= arna} obsolete and create one* new new sweet-sounding gismu?

*two (or three)

The point is to divide the meaning of carna= into the previously stated "turn" and "rotate" senses, and possibly to div= ide "rotate" into cw and ccw directions. So, if we made carna "obsolete", w= e'd need more than just one new gismu.

&nb= sp;

Exactly.

And old and new {carna} would create= misunderstanding. And I guess it's not a problem to replace {carna} with {= carna-NEW} in the corpus and in tatoeba.

-Robin

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