Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:41398) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1dHD-0004ZW-Mh; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:52 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4sf470696bkw.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2SrAZNcgshKGkQAo/ymgem+WNXMVJ9WYGwFRBEqj/LA=; b=LqBgRXUyt7kNd0IPUFOghND3bjZBzqTdkcmze8i3HUkzdZYx6taMAkqq8bGHBEQgVC e2cVdw1vwdSt9VuILqJuCkGcJSPsqI660bhpXPmbuqJYL98pKFLj0gBf3neqsgyFgvln PQTtR1zVtxdkFvZzmIcYKn6/GHIuVKWJCg3F8= Received: by 10.216.0.196 with SMTP id 46mr352409web.42.1345035876722; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.202.99 with SMTP id c77ls1656282weo.6.gmail; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.202 with SMTP id w10mr3061515wif.0.1345035875876; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.24.202 with SMTP id w10mr3061513wif.0.1345035875862; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.23]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id em7si370723wib.2.2012.08.15.06.04.35; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.23; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Aug 2012 13:04:35 -0000 Received: from p57A08DDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.141.218] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 15 Aug 2012 15:04:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+CtG4G3teCNPartmtgLAcBkRdLHEQsIGJ1sIdk4k /g8q1H3dOsqSGT Message-ID: <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:04:33 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030205060800040105050507" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030205060800040105050507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki: > I couldn't reply to the post > (due > to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating > another topic. > > This is really an interesting question. > *Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban? > I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all" > ({ro}) but I can't describe it. Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no: mi na ponse [su'o] da (same as mi ponse no da) I don't have anything. xu do ponse [su'o] da Do you possess anything? For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" --- "I'll take any"), you can also use su'o: A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma kau} for some of these cases. mi djica lo nu klama ma kau I want to go wherever mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --------------030205060800040105050507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki:
I couldn't reply to the post (due to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating another topic.

This is really an interesting question.
*Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?
I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all" ({ro}) but I can't describe it.

Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no:
mi na ponse [su'o] da  (same as mi ponse no da)
I don't have anything.

xu do ponse [su'o] da
Do you possess anything?

For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" — "I'll take any"), you can also use su'o:
A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do
B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta

The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma kau} for some of these cases.
mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
I want to go wherever

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

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