Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:43164) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1dj7-0005XS-DN; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:45 -0700 Received: by ggcs5 with SMTP id s5sf1721135ggc.16 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mYTQgkg617HFuEmn0X37bjrDZrXioWIUlf0Q34i3zbs=; b=VGcw0Daus8xgkX5a/SbuzA4mDDbRtQVEwdLepjSgr6qMvCvfTgO0XRY4prQ2cXsmOm 1XxeZrga8SdmFGLlEoIlj63BGHKk9lTMHNjtwhnxm71LomdxgN+mnv3qhfoN/5ts2eyI JJLN5to9GQaEkSIGT2tnz3gjF3Xkh6H1iK2ME= Received: by 10.68.211.6 with SMTP id my6mr584894pbc.15.1345037609425; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.240.162 with SMTP id wb2ls2733406pbc.0.gmail; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.230.68 with SMTP id sw4mr2349078pbc.0.1345037608941; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1480_31735422.1345037608403" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1480_31735422.1345037608403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:04:33 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote: > > Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki: > =20 > I couldn't reply to the post (due=20 > to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating=20 > another topic.=20 > > This is really an interesting question. > *Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban? > I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all"=20 > ({ro}) but I can't describe it. > =20 > > Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no: > mi na ponse [su'o] da (same as mi ponse no da) > I don't have anything. > > xu do ponse [su'o] da > Do you possess anything? > > For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" =97 "I'll take=20 > any"), you can also use su'o: > A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do > B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta > > The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma= =20 > kau} for some of these cases. > mi djica lo nu klama ma kau > I want to go wherever > The same for "anywhere, anytime, anyway"? > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > =20 > --=20 > pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo > >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/RchV4Pht7F0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_1480_31735422.1345037608403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:04:33 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote: =20 =20 =20
Am 15.08.2012 14:35, schrieb la gleki:
I couldn't reply to the post (due to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating another topic.

This is really an interesting question.
*Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?
I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all" ({ro}) but I can't describe it.

Logically, "any" is su'o/ro/no:
mi na ponse [su'o] da  (same as mi ponse no da)
I don't have anything.

xu do ponse [su'o] da
Do you possess anything?

For the sentence in question ("Which book do you want?" =97 "I'll take any"), you can also use su'o:
A: ma poi cukta cu jai se djica do
B: su'o boi cy / su'o lo cukta

The emphasis seems different, which is why I personally like to use {ma kau} for some of these cases.
mi djica lo nu klama ma kau
I want to go wherever
The same for "a= nywhere, anytime, anyway"?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
  

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